On Monday 28/10/2024, in the afternoon, the second meeting of the forum for sane construction was held in the building of the director of engineering led by Sarit Golan Steinberg, deputy mayor and chairman of the planning and construction committee and the professional staff in the director of engineering. The meeting dealt with the master plans being promoted these days, the topic of transportation and answering the questions of the residents who came to the meeting.
In opening her remarks, Golan Steinberg referred to the fact that despite the desire to improve the work processes and create more correct processes, some of the employees are busy with the emergency situation and are abroad and some of the employees are dealing with routine issues.
"Recently, a new city engineer was selected who will start work in the middle of December, Orit Martz, a graduate of the Municipality of Haifa. In recent months, it was important for me to create a comprehensive thought with a view of the city in Haifa at the level of the regions. We thought it would be right to promote a master plan for infrastructure in this sense, alongside promoting construction plans (regeneration urban and building), we will make sure that the infrastructure supports the urban development. I have thought for years that a dedicated plan should be prepared for Bat Galim, because of its complexity, a military base, urban renewal, lots where construction is sought. Part of the right thing to do is to prepare a lantern, which lights the way. We will create a master plan for several neighborhoods in Haifa, such as Neve Shanan, Hadar and Rakes HaCarmel, Ramat Hanasi and Neve David.
Bat Galim neighborhood
Golan Steinberg emphasized that one of the neighborhoods that keeps her busy is the Bat Galim neighborhood. "Already today there is a transportation failure and this is even before the massive construction that is planned. We were there on a tour. We talked about how the addition of units affects the service to the residents. I asked to see Bat Galim's plan with the new complexes and found out that almost all the construction has already been approved. It does not seem that the BED will be evacuated , all the time adding more construction. It seems that the plan will not come to fruition, and when they promote it, they will probably re-plan it."
transportation
One of the main topics at the meeting was transportation and whether Haifa can offer quality public transportation, which will make residents say goodbye to their second car. "We are trying to bring back to life the desire to produce mass transportation," explained Golan Steinberg and added "We think the best way to do this would be with the help of a matron on the Carmel ridge axis from the university onwards and a matron in the Neve Shanan neighborhood. Today the number of residents in the Neve Shanan neighborhood is about 68,000 residents and it can reach about 80,000 residents after the planned construction in the neighborhood.
The matron will connect and support urban renewal. Neve Shanan has changed her face and is going through a process of anxiety. Neve Shanan needs to respond to students who study at the Technion and the university. The construction in the neighborhood will suit the populations that support the academy. We held meetings with the Ministry of Transportation regarding matrons and also regarding additional school transportation. Haifa has not received service additions in the last 5 years. For example, Givat Zemar was born, we were able to add a station in the new neighborhood at the expense of frequency."
Tzafir Kessler, Director of the Transportation Authority: Our goal is for 45% of the population in Haifa to use public transportation
Tzafir Kessler, director of the Transportation Authority, said that the municipality understands that a street should be looked at as a residential area and that walking and cycling should be promoted. "Until 5 years ago, it was heresy to talk about cycling in Haifa, but today most bicycles are electric and you have to separate them from 4-wheeled vehicles. This requires a slightly different approach. We need to address the slope. We also need to address mass transportation. Important We need to promote a master plan for transportation that will take a comprehensive view of the city and the width of streets in the city.
The transportation concept speaks of an inversion of the pyramid. Today, first of all, pedestrians are considered, then bicycle drivers, those traveling on public transport and lastly cars. 30 years ago it was the other way around. Public transportation in Haifa does not allow giving up vehicles. If there is no adequate transportation service, people will keep the other car, which has no parking space and will be on the sidewalk and obstruct pedestrians. The goal is for 45% of the population in Haifa to use public transportation and today we stand at 20% of the population.
In Tel Aviv it is about 300 meters between stations and in Haifa it is not legitimate. Part of the promotion of public transportation is connectivity. Tabenkin has no way out and a bus cannot enter, so they are looking for a way to connect Tabenkin near Levanim.'
Landscape architect Hana Yaffe: "There should be another cable car from the university to the center of Carmel"
The landscape architect Hana Yaffe claimed that there is no place for a matron along the Carmel axis and the construction of the matron will result in damage to the area, as was the case during the construction of the previous matrons. She suggested thinking outside the box and building a cable car from the university to the center of Carmel. Golan Steinberg asked her what height she suggested the cable car should be and asked Yaffe if she thought it reasonable for people on the Moriah axis to open their windows and see people passing by in a cable car. Yaffe replied that it seemed reasonable to her and the cable car could be high. She pointed out that in Japan there are trains that pass inside a residential building and there is no difficulty in doing so, so there should not be a problem with the cable car. She also claimed that there is no problem with the fact that the gradient on the road between the university and the center of Carmel is moderate.
Neve Sha'anan
Golan Steinberg referred to the neighborhood, which in terms of the number of its residents is a city in every way. "Today, the number of residents in the Neve Shaanan neighborhood is about 68,000 residents and it could reach about 80,000 residents after the planned construction in the neighborhood. The matron will connect and support the urban renewal. Neve Shaanan has changed its face and is undergoing a process of upheaval. Neve Shaanan needs to provide an answer for students studying at the Technion and the university The construction in the neighborhood will suit the populations that support the academy."
Agronomist needed
Golan Steinberg places the preservation of greenery in Haifa high on the list of priorities: "I hold discussions on the issue of trees and landscape. Until now, there was no one responsible for granting a landscape permit, and now there will be such a position. We are asking to take in an agronomist for the city. We will also try in terms of the processes at the file stage The information will be the beginning of a planning file. What will determine the planning is the trees and not the other way around, as is the case today. There will be someone in charge of the new construction. Between the receipt of the information file and the request for the permit, it is not clear what happens at this stage An interface where all the departments and Carmel Water will cooperate and the procedure will be more transparent and make it easier for the applicant."
Head of the Directorate for Urban Renewal Orna Mor: "We will make a change here in terms of promoting things that were stuck and did not come to fruition"
At this stage, the head of the directorate for urban renewal, Orna Mor, referred to the urban renewal and building renewal in the city. Building renewal is an alternative to TMA 38, which makes it possible to renew even one building, unlike large building evacuation projects after the TMA 38 initiative has expired.
"A year ago, a dedicated site for urban renewal went up on the website of the Haifa Municipality, and there we are constantly updating. Most of the city's neighborhoods are incorporated into master plans. We have several plans for construction. In the Wadi Nisnas neighborhood, we intend to add construction in Tweezer. We will also add construction in the Hadar Mizrah neighborhood (viz Nitz), Neve Sha'anan Mizrah and West.
The urban renewal refers to old neighborhoods, in the other neighborhoods in Carmel there will be building renewal, there are neighborhoods that are more suitable to renew in a more modest way. In the years that we promoted large programs, this gave the residents a green light to promote small programs in places where it was difficult to start large programs. In the past entrepreneurs did not want to build here, Haifa was considered a province, and today entrepreneurs are fighting to build in Haifa, where we want. Since the beginning of the term, a transformation has been made here in terms of promoting things that were stuck and did not come to fruition. The committees had 9-10 discussions in the previous plans and we approved 5,000 units in these routes.
We also work on execution and realization issues. We have an excellent relationship with the Ministry of Housing and Construction. We won a social rally in Kiryat Eliezer, which is undergoing massive urban renewal. They received 16 million for social renewal. We intend to redesign the promenade of western Kiryat Haim and there will be a sequence from Kiryat Yam onwards. We demand that the developer, beyond covering public needs, also promotes the needs of the city. Beyond kindergartens and clubs, you sometimes need elementary schools. We look for the urban needs in big plans."
What is planned at the casino in Bat Galim?
One of those present at the meeting asked about the building of the casino in Bat Galim, and referred to the plan of the architect and former deputy mayor Shmuel Galbhart, who was also present at the meeting. In his plan, Galbhart proposes to build more floors than is customary in Bat Galim and to create the preservation of the building by contrasting the new building with the old. Golan Steinberg claimed that she was in favor of adding only two floors to the casino building and not more than that.
"The casino plan should be approved by the district committee. This is a conceptual preservation, since the current structure of the casino was restored in 1994. We met with the developer's representatives, and informed him that we will not approve a plan to build a hotel and further construction in the pool area. In the pool area, changing rooms and a kiosk can be erected. This is a 60-room hotel and it will not have parking adjacent to the buses, and this should not be a problem.
If we manage to promote with the developer also a public pool in the place we have gained. We hope to receive funds from the Ministry of Housing, which will allow us to build the Bat Galim and Margolin docks. It is also important for me to emphasize that there are people who have stopped opposing the construction of the casino because they are tired of this white elephant and they understand that it is private land. We will make a recommendation to the district committee and see if it approves. The decision is in the hands of the district committee."
Loyal reader is right, Hana's program is beautiful and delusional!!
A matron along the Moria and Trumpeldor axes is necessary, even if not populist. Glad that Golan is going for it, I hope she will continue with courage. It's too much to say about Hana Yaffe's proposal...
System buff
The axis of the ridge is busy, very narrow (mostly two lanes in each direction) and the sidewalks are narrow. Any interference with the matron will constitute a substantial impairment of its function. The requested solution is the Carmelit 2 line, which I will detail here.
It is applicable, it is effective, it is even simpler because there is already a topographical difference between the axis of the ridge and the location of some of the stations in the streets adjacent to it, for example in the Hatshebi Garden, the corner of Hatshebi-Tschernihovski.
The Carmelit 2 line includes 14 km, most of it from Monhar: 11 km between the French Carmel and the university, and a split of a 3 km long branch of the Carmelit 5 line from the Horev intersection to the Ziv center and the Technion (in Wadi adjacent to Derech Fika, Romma through Derech Hankin and Kiryat Technion - the whole above the ground).
The excavation will be done with a TBM (simultaneous digging and filling machine as in the light rail in Gush Dan).
A shipping shaft and the first stop will be in the area of the camp that will be vacated near Stella Maris in front of Gordon and Law Beck College. There will also be a depot for wagons and maintenance, and from there the digging machine will start moving forward.
A second TBM shipping pick will be located on the outskirts of the university. In less than 3 years they will meet and the tunnel will be completed. In both cases there will be no disturbance to the living environment or traffic.
Station 1 Stella Maris Cliff Garden Gordon Carmel French College
Station 2 will be built in the Hatshebi Garden, the Hatshebi-Tschernihovsky intersection (which is already 7 meters lower than the street)
Serve Ramat Tashbi, Zionism, the Sculpture Garden
Station 3 will be built next to the existing Gan Ham station and will include the restoration of the strip of shops and sidewalks
above her. Serve the Carmel center.
Station 4 will be built in the garden at the end of Mahanim Street next to the auditorium and will serve Kabbir, the old Carmel,
The Auditorium, Reali Center and Darech Hayam
Station 5 will be built in Zafaririm Garden and will serve Carmelia and Herzl High School
Station 6 will be excavated as part of the planned tower in Kiryat Safar square and will serve Ahuza, Shambor.
The Carmelite station will replace the requirement for a public parking lot in the tower.
Station 7 in Gan Glicker will serve Ahuza, Carmel Medical Center
Station 8 in the center of Horeb, to which the Carmelit branch will connect to Nove Shanan
Station 9 Gan Eider-Freud. You will serve Downs, Soroka, Mish'an, the children's estate and Wicho
You will be connected by an escalator to the Freud axis and will serve Freud and Ramat Eshkol.
Station 10 Abba Khushi corner Kaufman in Wadi Ovadia in front of Beit Biram campus
You will also serve Ramat Golda, Einstein School, Ramat Almogi
Station 11 Mendel Singer-Orbach - will serve Ramat Dania, Dania, Ramat Alon Darom
Station 12 Terminal station and depot in the area of the Nahal Nadar parking lot. University, Denmark.
9 stations on the Carmelit 3 Horev-Technion overhead line:
Station 1 Horeb Center
Station 2 entrance to Oren Street
Station 3 Sabar Shikma
Station 4 Paz Romema - Romema Hall
Station 5 Avraham Ofer Bridge - Ramat Sapir, Ramat Zemer
Station 6 Hankin Bridge - International - Ramat Chen
Station 7 Ziv Center Hankin - Komoi intersection
Station 8 Shaar Nosh Technion
Station 9, Technion Shaar Nesher parking lot
This way the Carmelit 2 line will have 12 underground stations that will also be built to be used as shelters
Carmelit line 3 will include another 9 above-ground stations under which shelters will be built
In Koi Carmelit 2+3, about 60-70 thousand will travel. The line will be used by thousands of students every day
It won't happen, too bad
Signing every word of a loyal reader.
All documents from an engineer to prove non-resistance to the earthquake standard for the purpose of applying TMA 38 to an existing building, documents that were checked by "Kenra Ne'man", turned out to be false.
I'm a witness to this, you don't have to be an engineer to understand. The problem is that the Haifa Planning Institute doesn't want to read them because it doesn't want them to "confuse it with facts" so it probably won't understand either and will continue to bury the ripper in the sand.
The result is that many TMA 38 projects were born in sin and are based on a lie.
You're right, Hana's program is beautiful and delusional!
Regarding public transportation
To get today from Derech Frantz, corner of Gores, to the lower city, Sderot Ben Gurion, you need two buses. It's crazy, why isn't there a bus that connects Ramat Shaul and Upper Princek to the lower city in one line
Instead of discussing the imaginary issue of "transporting crowds by air" over the axis of the ridge, for all the dangers involved, a project that will never be built, the chairman of the sub-committee for planning and construction, Adv. Defective against the law, an application most of which is entirely based on false statements by the veteran municipal engineer Eng Y.S.
Attorney Sharit Golan and her colleagues at the municipal legal consultancy have been presented countless times with proof and solid evidence of the lack of any connection and/or affinity for the engineering purpose of standards for "strengthening existing 3-story buildings".
The improper practice of defective implementation of the TMA with reference to the law as an assembly line for issuing building permits contrary to the law took root in the municipal engineering administration.
Joining Han, Savion and the other partners of the frightened pigeon who still thinks we will sit in a shelter without electricity for 4 days. A matron on the axis is an idea from the days of the previous priesthood of the dove. And that might be the dumbest idea you can think of. Perhaps you should first try to remove the transportation failures, such as the double traffic light on the axis, where in the morning hundreds of cars stop to allow anyone to cross the road in Safar Square. A readjustment of the traffic lights in the city will also help
Do not rush to crown serious plans as stupidity. Matroni in the Moriah axis is inevitable
In the article, only a small section is quoted from my reference to the issue of the traffic parallelism that is imitated along the axis of the center of Carmel in the direction of Ahuza and the university. The idea was ..and not just mine in the yeshiva. ...minimum destruction of existing infrastructure as a rocket killed the lower city but light elements dressed at height and carried back and forth on a bus..no one talked about swaying and stations out of place. But on the principle of light construction above an existing traffic axis when you mainly asked how the people will go up... We are in a technological age. And I also answered that if we start again with a tedious project of excavations and destruction... by the end there will be drones that will pick us up from place to place. The thrust of the question was to think about solutions outside the box. Those who may once again take off in the tourism aspect as well.
I will point out that it was even brought up in advance, as well as in the discussion on the name of the greens in Carmel, the question. Although the question was also sent in advance.. it was not answered.
However.. these meetings are welcome and it is good that there is a listening ear between the planning leaders in the municipality and the residents who desire it and a face-to-face meeting..
Spaceships are better…
Or the direct helicopter line… lol
Another cable car from the university towards the center of Carmel?
After the "grandiose" success of the current cable car, about its various "virtues":
1. Personal travel, suitable for a tourist project and not for mass transportation.
2. Dangerous entry and exit from a carriage that does not stop but moves forward and swings.
3. Irrational location of the stations, she travels from nowhere to nowhere. (Instead of passing through densely populated neighborhoods.
4. Poor accessibility, no parking spaces near the stations.
5. Cumbersome operation of many employees at the stations who most of the time talk to each other instead of taking care of the passengers.
6. Huge costs against a minority of passengers.
7. Cessation of activity whenever there is a change in the weather.
* In short - after all the above, offering a cable car from the university to the Moriah axis... a cable car that travels slowly and will be a nuisance to the residents of the area - is a completely unnecessary offer.
what yes One can think of tunnel transport, as is customary in many European cities.
Hopefully we will soon see a new master plan for Neve Shaanan and then they will see more urban renewal in Neve Shaanan
The matron will destroy the main traffic lane from the university to the Demon of Zionism, I recommend that you oblige the bus companies to transport passengers in midibuses and minibuses, this will ease the traffic.
I also recommend that from 7-19 the lanes from Dania Junction to Shed Zion Junction be closed to private vehicles and open only to taxis and motorbikes.
Cancel the blue and white toll for all residents of Haifa like in Tel Aviv (where they don't slaughter the citizens with property taxes like in Haifa) and define detour routes for those who need to move to schools, classes, shopping, etc.
Open your mind, Haifa is growing and renewing itself with a crowd that doesn't really need the car to go to the entertainment spots in Carmel except at night.
Give relief to everyone who lives along this axis to move with the vehicle in certain areas, but leave the axis open to traffic
This is exactly how they have been sitting and chatting for decades. An agronomist prophet - you understand, there are 4500 jobs in the municipality and there is not a single agronomist. The head of the public transport authority - where did it come from? Are there steering committees, public participation, does anyone ask the users of public transportation or is everything dictated? Bat Galim - I wrote about thousands of units without any transportation framework that would allow it, I'm glad that Sarit read it and maybe it inspired them to think about how another 12,000 residents and thousands of vehicles will enter the neighborhood when there are no more entrances and whether a wall of towers is even needed - so it was approved, it is possible to freeze the permits Because of the lack of a master plan for the neighborhood. I wonder how they got the transportation survey? Or did they approve it in the permanent committee in Haifa?
Hana - a cable car in the Carmel Ridge. This is not Japan. In Japan there is no cable car that goes inside a building. There are several attempts at a monorail suspended in an ugly and clumsy array that runs over main streets. So that we don't get into trouble - don't offer nonsense. No cable car over busy roads, even the current one to the university, will break down endlessly and will cause heavy disasters.
A matron in the ridge? There is no need for this, there is a very simple solution: Carmelit line 2 to the university.
Without wasting land space, without scenic ugliness, with priority along the entire route and to reach the university within a few minutes from the center of Carmel and Horev.
Carmelit 2 with 10 stations will make it possible to unload thousands of vehicles every hour from the roads in the ridge.
All is well and good, except that no opinion was given regarding closed neighborhoods. For example, Lincoln, Harofeh and Smolenskin streets have only one exit (to the Horev center). God save in case of emergency. To the best of my knowledge, this is also about the Dania neighborhood and I assume that there are other closed neighborhoods like this in Haifa.
Maybe the deputy will talk to the head - Asher gave a statement in which he wants to keep, and even increase, the traffic load in the Harofeh and Smolenskin area, due to the maintenance of the "Carmel" hospital.