On Tuesday, April 2.4.24, 100, Israel Railways announced, as part of the petition to the High Court that we submitted, that it is implementing the expropriation of approximately XNUMX dunams in the vicinity of the Hoof HaCarmel station and Hoof Dado. This is another step towards the completion of the (new) high-speed tracks at the Hoof HaCarmel station. The meaning of the move is a fixation The railway that exists above ground up to Neve David.
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Land expropriation in the area of the city of Haifa
In order to advance its plan, Israel Railways expropriated the best quality land in the city, around the coast, in favor of expanding roads and bridges (also into the "coastal area", less than 100 m from the water line), building pumping stations (in view of the proximity of a pair of underground railways to the coast) , shifting the overhead tracks and fixing an above-ground route to Neve David, expanding parking lots, adding overpasses and underground passages, and more.
All this, it should be said, courtesy of the previous Haifa municipality, which agreed and even led the poor planning. Instead of expropriating the most valuable acres in the city, the tracks could be completely removed from the coastal area.
It was possible, and important, to insist that within the framework National Infrastructure Plan No. 65 (briefly, Subtal 65a) Israel Railways will be required to tunnel one pair of tracks up to the Kiryat Havram station, for example, according to the "Alternative 11" route that we presented -
Leaving the buffer between Haifa and the sea
As already mentioned in "Hai Fe", Israel Railways is leading Haifa to a reality where the existing tracks surrounding Haifa's beaches will remain as they are, plus electrification that is particularly offensive to the city's appearance.
In my opinion, based on observing the actions of the Israel Railways, the management of the Ministry of Transportation never had any intention of a 4-rail tunnel in Haifa, certainly not on a winding route, circling all of Haifa, which does not generate any economic benefit. And even if there was such an intention, the treasury officials would have blocked the financing of such a useless tunnel.
Pressure from the heads of the northern authorities on the Ministry of Transportation is required
Only a joint effort between all the northern authorities can bring about the desired result from the point of view of the city of Haifa, namely, a direct tunneling of the tracks to the center of the bay (while creating a huge attraction for the Haifa Bay and the entire north), and in addition to that, a complete evacuation of the tracks from the coastal area, for example -
It should be noted that an underground alternative via Bat Galim or Kiryat Eliezer can also be described. The difficulty with such an alternative, in short, is that an underground alternative through Kiryat Eliezer would be expensive by about 11 billion NIS (compared to "alternative 7" above), much more complex engineering, and above all would harm the transportation benefit of the system, where all Carmelite users would have to go around Haifa with a delay of about XNUMX additional minutes of driving on the way to the center of the country and/or from the center of the country to the Carmelite axis.
In our opinion, a light rail or metro solution is better to serve the axis of the Navy camp, Rambam, Bat Galim and the other coastal neighborhoods. There will be more time to discuss and decide on the question of which alternative is a tunnel in the western part of the city of Haifa - that is, directly to Kiryat Shvet or via Bat Galim - It is the most appropriate for the fulfillment of the city's goals.
A call to stop the plans
At this stage, it is extremely critical to stop all the train plans until Subtal 65a in its current form - that is, the completion of the tracks at the Hoof HaCarmel station - Disqualified. It is extremely important, as mentioned, to demand an alternative to tunneling until the government meets, already at the stage of Subtal 65a.
It would be wrong to cancel the Bat Galim station in any format
It serves hundreds of medical teams that come from the north and Tel Aviv (higher quality teams that would not arrive if it weren't for the train).
A light rail solution is bad in this case, the passengers will get off the high-speed rail and then get stuck for another 30 minutes from Carmel Beach to Bat Galim (these are the speeds of light rail in Israel)
Why not tunnel Bat Galim and from there the next tunneled station will be Peretz Central?
Not sure how much it will slow down the trip, even at slow speed this trip takes 10 minutes
A double-decker bus would meet all the waste and expropriation of space, and comfort and safety without going up and down the elevator and stairs to the train and changing trains...
Need the fast lane solution!
Significant improvement of the quality of life and public transportation for the residents of the North, including the residents of the country.
We very much hope that the alternative will be accepted
The city has a huge potential and instead they are making a sad potential
There is room for a spectacular amusement park
Cruise around the world International airport
Efficient public transportation
Pacific Beach return and upgrade to the public
Including the case of the pigs and a creative and good solution
A beautiful philharmonic orchestra
The best Haifa shawarma competition
Same for falafel
attractions for the general public
Internet throughout the city
The water subsidy and academic studies
Electricity is green energy
Solar wind wave energy 🌞 and keeping an environment clean of dog poop
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From Tropan, bike lanes for everyone up to Caesarea and also north to Kiryat Shmona
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The new Haifa is the most beautiful concept I've heard after 5 years of nothing. Yona Yahav, Sarit, Avihu Han, Sofi Nakash, Yossi Shalom are the people who must lead Haifa to a strategic process and think about the entire metropolis that Haifa will pass through on the way from Tel Aviv and Makrit Shmona and only the Sedara train can bring about this transformation. 24 minutes by train from Che Post - which is the working heart of Haifa where Bezan will be located near the Innovation Bay. This is the most important national project that can be here
It is very clear and simple: look at what is happening from Acre to the south:
In Acre they did not build the southern coast promenade
A security plant took over the coastline afterwards
We did not build a marina or hotels in Kiryat
Havat 2018 suffocates Kiryat Haim, another robbed coastline
The Chinese port also robbed the airport of the airport and robbed the Kiryat Haim beach because it harms the transport of sand
The power stations and the port of Haifa will not be moved from the western mooring and the entire plan for the sea front is a sham
The Navy built a polynomial that hides the sea view from the lower city
Rambam and the Behad will continue to control half of the beaches of Bat Galim and Klish canceled the marina in Bat Galim
And now the bathing beaches in Dodo will be closed and destroyed by Israel Railways
Do you understand why we will never be a coastal city with a marine leisure culture?
Haifa is a dead city. Its entire coastline has been stolen piece by piece by polluting ports, power stations, trains and railroads
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Fully supports the plan of Adv. Dvir Langer.
His proposal will save the free access to Haifa's beach and create a fast train to the center and a crane to quickly open the Galilee and Haifa Bay.
Continue to support your plan and if you succeed, you are guaranteed the Israel Prize for Transportation!!!
I don't understand at all why the high-speed train has to bypass Haifa under Carmel?
What reason does the train have to connect Nahariya/ Kiryat Shmona to Tel Aviv?
This will seriously damage the existence of Haifa as the central city in the northern metropolis. And basically makes the whole concept of a northern metropolis redundant. Because all of these will become distant peripheral neighborhoods of Tel Aviv. And Haifa was ranked behind.
The existence of the high-speed rail along the coast is also unnecessary because it will harm the very essence of the high-speed train
I believe that in Haifa a metropolitan network should be established north of it.
And those who want to get to Tel Aviv, will get on the high-speed train. It is better that you leave from more central stations from the Carmel center, such as Haifa Bat Galim. or the Gulf center
A fast train that would continue north would be relevant if it could reach Beirut and north of it into Europe. Unfortunately this is not the case
A very important program for Haifa and the north. I don't understand how our elected officials don't support the Sedara tunnel plan???
The north needs movement. A train that reaches the settlements enables stability and livelihood, movement and flow and much less traffic jams throughout the country. Strengthening the north strengthens Israel as a whole.
Good and interesting article. I think it will be a breakthrough in the world of public transport.
Ila an idea, I hope it will work!
An amazing idea supporting such a project will save me so much time
Good evening Dvir
I received your update regarding the effort to connect the north of the country and the periphery to the center of the country.
I will support every step you take to succeed in the mission.
Great idea, hope it works!
I am a girl from the periphery who wants to travel to the center with friends (mainly to Tel Aviv)
Does not meet the amount of time that requires me to get to the center
It sucks that if I want to leave the north it takes me at least two hours
Hope this amazing idea comes to fruition and I can enjoy it as soon as possible.
Wouldn't it make more sense if a girl from the north could travel to Haifa and not all the way to Tel Aviv?
There is nothing unique in Tel Aviv except for young people who initiated and opened bars and restaurants.
The same can be done in Haifa. There are plenty of young and talented people there from the Technion
I proposed the most logical plan, the one that would bring enormous environmental, economic and transportation benefits:
The Akbat Tunnel from the Carmel Beach through the bottom of Wadi HaGivoriv to the Gulf Central. Construction of a train station at the bottom of Wadi HaGivoriv
With parking levels and a miklot and a bus station, bicycles, taxis and fire fighting about 10 levels above it.
Connecting the station to the Carmel tunnels and Lanuve Shanan and Rumma. The station will serve about 150 thousand residents of Carmel.
High-speed trains will make a stop at the heroes station. The residents of the Carmel neighborhoods will not have to descend thousands of miles to the coastal line stations. The residents of the lower city and Hadar will be connected by a high-speed subway line through the bottom of Wadi Hagivor to this train station (5 minutes from the lower city).
The high-speed trains will make 3 stops: Carmel Beach, Wadi HaGivori, and the Gulf Central, and will continue north.
In this way, about 10 minutes of driving around the beaches will be saved and a huge area of hundreds of gonams will be cleared for high-quality development around the currently destructive railroads.
This is a huge gain in fuel, time, reduction of vehicle wear and tear, savings in travel time for both the residents of Haifa and the residents of the north.
The heroes train station will be at the bottom of Huadi and above it will be built parking lots that will be used in an emergency as huge shelters for thousands of residents and an urban emergency center.
The station will look like a "tower" similar to the Grand Canyon on the wall opposite Romema.
They will go down to the platforms as in Jerusalem in large elevators from the Simcha Golan Road level.
The huge advantage: take a pair of bicycles, ride on the station bridge: from Ratner Street over Huadi to the station, go down to the 8th floor and put the bikes in the bicycle parking lot. Go up to the 11th floor to buy breakfast before the train. and go down to floor 0 to the high-speed train platforms to Tel Aviv.
Everyone who is in favor of the 'cute train that passes by us and doesn't disturb' doesn't understand at all what the intentions are and what electrification will probably look like.
Dvir's plan is not only feasible and correct, but there is no city in the world that would agree to the extent of the damage to the bathing beaches that Israel Railways is causing and will further cause to Haifa from the destruction of Dado and Zamir beaches.
cannon
Excellent, great idea
And I have some suggestions for improving and streamlining the city
Folk moves to finish or start
1. The grain
2. An old Egged Bat Galim switchboard
3. Dolphin bridge intersection
4. Bat Galim casino building
5. Nazareth light rail
6. Cruise to Acre
7. Gesher Bat Galim, Teilat Huldah Rambam Siyum
8. Haifa metropolis bike lanes
9. Svedra tunnel train or transfer through the Carmel tunnels
10. Beautiful sailing center Bat Galim Allenby
11. The Stella Maris cable car is part of public transportation and the addition of cable cars
12. Lower City Development
13. Opening the city to the sea .. a marina around the city
14. The opening of the German Colony Boulevard to the sea
15. Improvement of urban appearance, strengthening of buildings, evacuation, construction
16. Electrification of all vehicles and public transportation
17. Making places accessible to the disabled
18. Sea Research Building, improving visibility and sea view
19. Construction in gradual height... to allow the sea view and not block it
20. Bicycle and electric scooter rental throughout the city promotion
21. Polluting factories, making them non-polluting or moving them
22. Wonderful international airport
23. International cruise from Haifa to other countries of the world
24. Railway improvement of carriages and electrification
25. Extension of Hecht Park and stretching it at the beginning and end
26. Promotion of music, art and fusion between cultures
27. Mobile libraries.. an abstract idea.. mobile vans of libraries for renting books with coffee and internet points throughout the city
28. Health promotion and the health system in the city
29. Water sports
30. Amusement park attractions and such
31. Promotion of green energy, solar wind, sea waves and more
32. Cycle
33. Solve the problem of pigs and dog poop in a proper way
34. Thanks
An excellent idea will help all students and people who work far away
You are wrong and misleading. I live in the lower city because of the train station next to the house. If I have to take a metro and then also change to a train, I will not stay in Haifa. And so are many residents of Bat Galim, in Kiryat Eliezer, in the lower city. There will be enormous pressure on the heart of the bay because it will have to accommodate the amount of passengers of 3 train stations today... even more so, in 20 and 30 years.
Get out of the concept that the train is ruining your landscape. I sit by the sea in Shekmona and enjoy watching it go by, it's interesting and it's special. Route 4 is the one that creates the disconnect.
Hope you will stay in the field of law, and not in the field of planning. Successfully.
Rita –
As a planner and lawyer I take your words very seriously.
As of today, the travel time from "Haifa Center - Hasmona" to the "Telka Center" station is approximately one hour and 8 minutes. From Bet Galim to Tel Aviv Center the travel time is approximately one hour and 3 minutes.
You point out, rightly, that this time is about the maximum you are willing to 'pay', and more travel time will make you leave Haifa. Indeed, many residents of Haifa and the north leave their place of residence and move to the center of the country - because there is no accessibility to the center of the country (including Israel and Jerusalem) in a reasonable time.
The role of the high-speed train (250 km/h) is to generate demand in Haifa and the north, so that residents and businesses from the center will move to the north/Haifa.
A fast and direct train from the Kiryat government station to the center of the country, via the Carmel beach (or the stadium as we suggested), will allow the travel time to be shortened to at least 60 minutes for many residents of Haifa (and vice versa, for residents of Tel Aviv when they come to set up businesses and look for housing and employment in Haifa).
After the establishment of a high-speed train, the travel time of the residents of the lower city and Bat Galim will be shortened by about 20 minutes from the current travel time, although they will have to use an additional (secondary) transportation system (metron, bus or light rail).
The vast majority of residents of the State of Israel are required to use a secondary system to reach a national hub station, from which a high-speed train departs (250 km/h).
The claim that Rambam Hospital needs a train station is not true, and look at many other hospitals that do not have access to a high-speed train (and light rail access is planned or exists: Hadassah, Tel Hashomer, Neve Tzedek, and more).
The question is what is the right public policy.
It is true, in terms of public policy, to allow all users of the Carmelite (and others who come to the 'Government Kiryat' and the 'Sea Front') access of less than 60 minutes to the center of the country, 'at the price' that you and your friends from Bat Galim will also have to use a secondary transportation system (Metron or light rail) to reach the National Hub, and from there about 30 minutes to Tel Aviv.
Likewise, to the extent that the Haifa Municipality decides that it is important for it to promote the 'Sea Front' program (the vicinity of the port / Kiryat Havlat), it is important for it to have a fast and direct train for this environment, while creating demand.
As of today, the travel time of the Carmelite users to central Tel Aviv is approximately one hour and 40 minutes 'door to door', and such a situation is unreasonable, causes negative immigration as mentioned, and the time has come to fix it - even at the 'price' that you will shorten your travel time by about 20 Minutes, but you will be forced to make an 'exchange' like the absolute majority of the country's residents (and even in a progressive country where there is a hierarchical and modern tax system).
I agree with your opinion
Marco
First, I would like to point out that at the time I accompanied the program as a consultant to the railway.
Following on from Dvir Langer's description, below I will describe additional meanings arising from the approval of Tel/65/A:
Leaving the suburban tracks on the ground throughout the entire city of Haifa with the electrification network, even if the Tel/65/b continuation plan is approved, the suburban tracks will be left on the ground in the same format north of the Carmel Beach hotels and south (a fact that many parties do not understand) and all this, in the most sensitive place in Haifa , and contrary to the decision of the Committee for National Infrastructures, which responded to Haifa's demand that all existing and planned railroads within the city of Haifa be constructed.
For the purpose of establishing the high-speed rails in the area of the Carmel Beach station, underground, a huge hole will be dug, about 1 km long, 22 meters deep in sea water, with more than half its length, about 40 meters wide for the purpose of pouring a monster of concrete for 4 rails and two Island platforms at the HaCarmel Beach station, and other technical spaces, and a parking lot for over 1,000 private vehicles, whose drivers will spend a lot of time going through the security check at the entrance to the parking lot as well as finding a parking space and getting to the platforms from there.
Also, the traffic jams that currently exist at the Matam intersection will be dwarfed compared to what will happen as a result of the transformation of the Carmel Beach station into a clumsy and inefficient station, and the partisan parking on the beach sands will be much expanded.
The ramps connecting Route 4 with the coastal road will be extended beyond the existing ones, and a new overhead station building will be built.
Indeed, as Dvir Langer claims, two tunnels from the Lev Hamfaretz station (which is the transportation center of Haifa and the north of the country, which is unparalleled in the whole country) directly to the south of Haifa plus 2 tunnels from Kiryat Govt with an underground station under Route 4 in the stadium area makes the surface appearance of a beach station redundant Carmel and all the other tracks.
This will also allow high-speed trains within Haifa, contrary to the claim that the high-speed trains skip over Haifa.
At Tel/65/B, a two-story station is planned in the Kiryat Hamel area, a floor for the suburban trains and a floor for the high-speed trains, at a depth of 50 meters in the water. It is assumed that such a project will not be approved at all.
This alternative of two tunnels from the heart of the bay station to the south and two tunnels inside Haifa with a station near the stadium, is certainly cheaper than 4 tunnels inside Haifa, plus two monstrous stations in the water.
It is appropriate and desirable that the Tithal/65/a plan that was promoted on the Patlatala road, and in my understanding contrary to the Planning and Construction Law, be cancelled.
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There is no possibility that Haifa Municipality will fund if it bothers them so much?
After all, there is no objection in principle on the part of the planning bodies, but budgetary concerns.
Successfully . Right now maybe there is hope for change in favor of Haifa and the periphery in the north
Some nice projects that would be good to move forward the beautiful, sleeping, old, aging city with huge potential called Haifa:
Folk moves to finish or start
1. The grain
2. An old Egged Bat Galim switchboard
3. Dolphin bridge intersection
4. Bat Galim casino building
5. Nazareth light rail
6. Cruise to Acre
7. Gesher Bat Galim, Teilat Huldah Rambam Siyum
8. Haifa metropolis bike lanes
9. Svedra tunnel train or transfer through the Carmel tunnels
10. Beautiful sailing center Bat Galim Allenby
11. The Stella Maris cable car is part of public transportation and the addition of cable cars
12. Lower City Development
13. Opening the city to the sea .. a marina around the city
14. The opening of the German Colony Boulevard to the sea
15. Improvement of urban appearance, strengthening of buildings, evacuation, construction
16. Electrification of all vehicles and public transportation
17. Making places accessible to the disabled
18. Sea Research Building, improving visibility and sea view
19. Construction in gradual height... to allow the sea view and not block it
20. Bicycle and electric scooter rental throughout the city promotion
21. Polluting factories, making them non-polluting or moving them
22. Wonderful international airport
23. International cruise from Haifa to other countries of the world
24. Railway improvement of carriages and electrification
25. Extension of Hecht Park and stretching it at the beginning and end
26. Promotion of music, art and fusion between cultures
27. Mobile libraries.. an abstract idea.. mobile vans of libraries for renting books with coffee and internet points throughout the city
28. Health promotion and the health system in the city
29. Water sports
30. Amusement park attractions and such
31. Promotion of green energy, solar wind, sea waves and more
32. Cycle
33. Solve the problem of pigs and dog poop in a proper way
34. Thanks
We must build the esdra tunnel and open Haifa to the sea and bring the northern settlements closer to the center. The Sdera Tunnel will turn all the settlements north of Haifa into settlements that are less than an hour's drive from the center and will allow access to high-quality employment for the people of the north. With all due respect to Route 6, the pony train is the only solution.
Countries, continents, get a rare opportunity once every 50 years or so to establish a transportation project at a national level. A project that will bring about far-reaching changes in employment, housing, commerce, industry, environmental quality and of course transportation.
A high-speed rail route such as the T/11 that will allow a 26-minute journey from the heart of the Gulf to Tel Aviv is just such a rare project.
This is a GAME CHANGER that the State of Israel must not miss.
A train ride to the Gulf Central
Shlomiality has always been in the train. Remember the 250 million that went down the drain in the train plan to Jerusalem, no one stood trial for the lawlessness. Even now, the lawlessness in 5 years will cancel the project and make a new one. This is how public government corruption works. They set up a bad project for hundreds of millions, cancel it after 5 years and make a new one. Ask Whoever builds the projects will check the appropriate connections and thus public funds go to those close to the interested parties
Haifa - the anus of the state. Unimportant projects like the cable car are budgeted. who do not serve the residents of Haifa but only non-residents instead of taking care of positive projects such as the evacuation of the polluting factories, the opening of escape routes for the imprisoned neighborhoods and the train tunnel. In Jerusalem we built a lot of tunnels that can be passed through free of charge and only in Haifa are we allowed
Destroying more and more of the coastal nature.
What will be left for the children? concrete?
Israel rotted..
Another project that will last 15 years and will never end..
Reminds me of Tel Aviv's light rail.. Remind me how many years ago they started this project???.... They haven't finished yet.
Those who have studied the program well must have discovered that it was not for nothing that in addition to the Greens of Haifa, we also organized in local authorities from the north against Subtal 65 A.
The terrible plan to create an underground level in addition to an upper level at the Carmel Beach station, will oblige anyone traveling to Tel Aviv or the National Bank of Israel (part of the residents of Haifa and all residents of the northern metropolis) to change trains and go down/up to the next level on the way to the south and so back...
That is, anyone who does not normally use the Carmel Beach station, is going to eat it every time they travel from Haifa and the north to the south and back...
This is a significant and completely unnecessary damage to the service...
Most of the residents of Haifa and Kiryat do not know this yet, even though I published an article about it in Haifa about a year ago...
And who gave full backing to this terrible damage to the view of our beautiful seashore and the train service of the residents of Haifa and the north? Mayor Klish who left us a very difficult legacy in this area as well! The heads of the authorities in the entire metropolis need to organize quickly in order to prevent a kidnapping that is now done quickly under the auspices of the election period that has just ended and under the auspices of the public's attention which is all directed to what is happening in the war!
Girls soccer stuff!
Dvir, it is important to spread the idea that you are bringing to the attention of the general public so that more citizens will understand that the Israeli government is ignoring the north and the need to connect it in a proper way to the State of Israel with a high-speed train.
Think about the future, don't destroy the sea for us.
Stop confusing your brain. Maybe we will tunnel all the roads and railways. Train passengers are also allowed to see views. The track along Hecht Park creates a pleasant dynamic. There are underground passages and bridges are also planned, so what's the problem. And the electricity pylons of the train are less harmful to the patronage of the city than the lampposts along the roads. These are not the big metal bridges over many tracks and track replicas, these are airy columns that do not hide the view.
Open the window of your house and see the view. Access to the sea must not be blocked
This is one of the most important national projects. A good and blessed week everyone.
Haifa branch dream!
How much damage has Ms. Klish done, crying for generations if this delusional plan is not canceled and the most logical plan is adopted. Just as tunnels were dug for vehicles, so should the train.
This is one of the most important national projects.
Hope that Yona Yahav version 2024 will work to promote the important public transportation project above.
To open the sea front to tunnel the railway is an obligation for the residents of Haifa to demonstrate and to get out of indifference, this is an obligation for future generations
Completely!
Thanks