A resident of Derech Hayam Street in the center of Carmel tried to check what she should do if there is an alarm and she needs to get to a protected area within a minute, since she has neither an emergency room nor a shelter.
Nathalie tells Lahi Pa News Corporation:
"On Saturday I told myself that I needed to prepare. I don't live in the building for a long time, so I consulted with my neighbors. They told me that there was no shelter in the building. I told myself that I would look for a protected space at home according to the instructions of the Home Front Command and I don't have one.
Zero chance of reaching a protected space within a minute
It should be noted that Natalie is 61 years old and her husband is 71. During an alarm, the Carmelite station in the center of Carmel is a protected area, but the chance of the residents getting there within a minute is zero.
Natalie explains: "In our two-story building, there is a warehouse, which could have been a shelter, but there is a tank with diesel fuel in it. I contacted the fire department and they said that they cannot handle it, and they only handle that there is a fire. They told me to contact the police The police said it's a private house, and they can't help me. Although it's not a shelter, the warehouse has an iron door and seems to me to be the safest in the building. I contacted the owners of the apartment and they said it would take a month or two to clear the warehouse."
Natalie tried to find a protected space by nearby buildings
"I also turned to the buildings that are close to my building. One of the buildings has a very small shelter and 6 apartments. Despite the good will of the neighbors, the shelter is too small and will not be able to accommodate neighbors from nearby buildings. In another building next to it, the neighbors started arguing among themselves about whether they even have a shelter or No. There's an old people's home further away, and they have a shelter. They invited me to come. But I probably won't be able to get there in a minute."
Powerless - no organization can help me
"They told me at the municipality that there is no public shelter for Derech Hayam Street. They suggested I call the Home Front Command. I saw that an updated map of shelters was published, it is excellent because there is a shelter not far from my building. I went to it, but there is no shelter there, there is a cafe. The Home Front Command could not help me. They agreed with me that there is indeed no protected space in my apartment.
They asked me to do a conference call with the municipality but the person who answered me at the municipality did not agree to do a conference call. At the fire department, the fireman who answered me told me that it was not safe, and if I had another place to be, it would be better if I went there. I'm new in the city, my son lives in Tel Aviv, so the fireman told me, move to Tel Aviv."
Lack of protected space - a problem of many residents in Haifa
It should be noted that the problem that Natalie is facing is a problem that many residents of Haifa are facing. There are many neighborhoods in the city, where the residents have neither a EMS nor a shelter. Some neighborhoods have public shelters and some don't, but even if there is a public shelter, residents don't always have the option of getting to the public shelter within a minute of the alarm.
Haifa Municipality's response:
Since the first Gulf War, according to the state's decision, no public shelters have been built in the whole country. The protection policy in Israel established by the Home Front Command is based on the "most protected there is" procedure - according to which even if there is no MMD, MMC or shelter that can be reached during the defense available to the resident - he can choose the stairwell or an inner room in the house as a protected space.
Protected space devices wherever approved by the Home Front Command
In order to respond as widely as possible to the gaps in the shelters that exist in all the city's neighborhoods, the Haifa Municipality decided to prepare protected spaces wherever approved by the Home Front Command, such as: underground parking lots, Carmelit stations and school shelters. The spaces are closed at this stage to the public, who are asked to act if an alarm In Haifa, according to the "most protected there is" procedure, if additional alarms are activated, the protected spaces whose locations are published by the municipality will be opened.
Goat all the glory died and the word was in danger. Len Labaruch? Jaffa Evacuation of construction? Renovation of the building???
Gep on Geula street in Hadar, there are no special shelters that were built there by the Japanese for 100 years, a neighborhood of over 10000 residents
Anyone who feels danger in their home should stay for a certain period of time in another place with a shelter or MMD, and in terms of strength against serious missiles, an underground shelter is obviously desirable.
The same for us. I contacted the municipality. I contacted the Home Front Command. Their answer is no guidance.
First of all, pray to the great God. You had enough time to build a dimension.
In the meantime, we decided to live in my son's apartment in Tel Aviv, where there is a dimension despite the complaints
People think that MMD is magic. It is just a structure that is as strong as the inner core of the building, only in the form of a room.
The safest place is usually an inner stairwell surrounded by 4 thick walls, while the MMD has a window and an outer wall.
So the core of a building if you can go down a few floors inside it is better than MMD.
200 families are in danger. Leon Bloom Street. The intermediates are old, more than 50 years. There are rooms similar to a shelter. We are in danger, including our children.
We must make a protected space near her house. Thank you for your dedicated care
It's unfortunate that the Haifa municipality or the Home Front Command will put shelters in places where there aren't any..I live on Kibbutzim Street with no MMD and there is no shelter nearby..It's scary. I assume there are other people in Haifa who don't have a shelter near them..This should be done by the Authority and the Home Front Command
It's unfortunate that the Haifa Municipality or the Home Front Command will put shelters in places where there aren't any.. I live on Kibbutzim Street without a shelter and there is no shelter nearby.. Scary
Also very afraid, lives in kibbutzim without the ability to protect herself
A neighborhood shelter is more than a minute's walk away, really life-threatening
I wanted to talk to someone at the municipality about protection, but from what you write they are not helpful
Uncertain why you pay taxes? You must stand together with all your neighbors and demand cover
I direct shelters-warehouses-apartments 0509060508
Even in Hadar, there are many houses without a shelter. There is simply lawlessness here towards the residents
Haifa has not built new public shelters since the 80s
And as part of the lessons of the second Lebanon - they privatized the security for the MMD to those who have money and again they did not build a single public shelter, except in 3 schools that were built since then, so they were forced to build shelters as well.
70 thousand residents in Haifa or a quarter of the city have no measure, no shelter and no public shelter a minute away, this was the figure after the Second Lebanon. No one cared. And even Migoni didn't try to check where and if needed.
Apart from anchoring bins against wild boars and spending millions of shekels on the issue, Aya is promiscuous in every respect.
There is no construction evacuation
Young people leave the city
Everything is old, smelly and not maintained
An old city that needs an urgent renewal with a mayor who will understand the tremendous pontifical in this city
I don't have a protected space in the whole street, only buildings falling apart.. so you won't know if it's better to be inside or outside..
disgrace…
Apart from anchoring bins against wild boars and spending millions of shekels on the issue, Aya is promiscuous in every respect.
There is no construction evacuation
Young people leave the city
Everything is old, smelly and not maintained
An old city that needs an urgent renewal with a mayor who will understand the tremendous pontifical in this city
I don't have a protected space in the whole street, only buildings falling apart.. so you won't know if it's better to be inside or outside..
I don't have a protected space either. I live on Nehemiah Street and I am on the top floor and my laundry room is directly on the street. The neighborhood shelter is a drive away and I have a special girl at home who is really hard to move.... So I have no dimension. Neither an inner room nor a stairwell... Hope nothing develops, God will help us all. Amen
I love you
The main thing is the house is worth millions
The Haifa municipality with the highest property tax in the country per square meter will see to it ahead of time that shields are placed near buildings without shelter or shelter. You will come with claims only to them and to their LQL.
The more serious problem is thousands of non-standard dimensions that were built negligently and skimping on the necessary irons without any supervision, and then in fact there is a double danger: you built a room outside the building, and instead of an interior room with several concrete ceilings above it, you have a dimension cube with only one uncorrected ceiling. I heard from a building engineer that such a dimension can be less protected and even dangerous compared to going down to an enclosed space on the ground floor 3-4 floors below. For your information, the builders of the dimensions on the sides of the houses.
And will the MMD or the shelter help if a drone drops a chemical weapon here?!
Israel must decide the campaign in Gaza as a symbol and a lesson.
Regarding shelters: she should evacuate quickly to a place where there is a shelter at least for the next few weeks.
As soon as they realize that Israel is really going to win in Gaza, there is going to be a rain of missiles here because they will try to present as if they have achievements. And we already know that Israel is having trouble neutralizing this fire from multiple locations.
Those who feel unsafe in their home should evacuate and pay the hosts who will take you in or rent you a house with a shelter for a few weeks.
There is none on our street either. The doctor and Smolenskin.
(That's why I'm in a running group...)
Also on Stroma Street 4 blocks of about 160 families we have no dimensions, we have no shelters, nor a public shelter that allowed us to reach it in time. There is also no internal protected area in the houses since these are small apartments 54 square meters, there are no internal rooms. What will we do? Bingo? Russian roulette? Prayers?
Our house is next to the house of the complaining woman and I invited her and her husband to come and use our shelter
The Haifa municipality with the highest property tax in the country per square meter will see to it ahead of time that shields are placed near buildings without shelter or shelter. You will come with claims only to them and to their LQL.
Well... and will it be enough in a minute? She is not an 18 year old who can knock out a sprint
Thank you indeed for inviting us to your shelter, which in my opinion is not large enough to accommodate the residents of your building and other neighbors who also do not have a protected space. I have spoken to at least two neighbors, an elderly couple and a married man with small children, and in addition above us there is an elderly woman with her caregiver. Thank you for Your order
Thank you indeed for inviting us to your shelter, which in my opinion is not large enough to accommodate the residents of your building and other neighbors who also do not have a protected space. I have spoken to at least two neighbors, an elderly couple and a married man with small children, and in addition above us there is an elderly woman with her caregiver. Thank you for Your order.
Yes, we are all in the same boat, there are no shelters, most of the buildings were built 60 years ago, you can only pray and hope for the best.
Why doesn't the Haifa municipality put protection on streets that don't have protected spaces? I also live by the sea .. there are no shelters around!!