Parliament has already decided
A few weeks ago, my friend from Silicon Valley called me. Yoni (pseudonym) left the country for the USA already in the mid-1970s, and built a successful high-tech career for himself there. He wanted to share with me a topic that bothers him a lot.
"We have here a parliament of 13 former Israelis, most of us high-tech graduates," he said and added, "we gather every week for a conversation. Naturally, and especially in light of what has been happening recently, the subject in question is Israel."
"Naturally," I said, remembering the discussion about the legal coup we both had a few months ago.
He was silent for a moment and then said: "In our last conversation we deleted Israel."
It was like a punch to the stomach.
"Why the matter with the legal reform and the economy again?" I wanted to understand, "We've already talked about this, and it will go away. This stupidity will not go away."
He sighed, "The reform is one thing. True, we can see the high-tech world very well from here. There is a global problem. Investors are very afraid to put money into start-ups in general, and because of the story of the reform, Israel will see even less investment, but that is not the point."
"So what's the point?"
"The demographic change." He said and sighed, "This leaves Israel no chance. With an ultra-Orthodox population growing at such a rate, Israel will collapse. It won't happen tomorrow or in five years, but it will start happening in a generation. All our members of parliament were unanimous on this point."
"But June," I said, "I've already heard this claim, and we've talked about it several times."
"So what are you saying?"
"I say you're right."
He was surprised, and even sounded a little disappointed. It seemed to me that he expected a more optimistic statement from me.
"So you're pessimistic too?"
"Not really," I said, "I'm trying to be optimistic."
"But if I'm right, then what reason do you have for optimism?" I could sense his astonishment over the phone line.
"There is no contradiction here," I said, "if we continue in the current direction, there is no doubt that you are right, and Israel will indeed collapse, but I think there is a scenario in which we can change direction and come out of it in peace."
"how exactly?" There was disbelief in his voice.
So let's talk about the magnitude of this trouble, and how to get out of it. I promise a discussion that will stick to documented facts. My feeling is that this discussion does not usually get the stage it deserves, because it is shaky and politically incorrect.
population density
The population density in Israel is unusual on a global scale:
Without the Negev, Israel is the densest developed country in the world. With the Negev - the third most crowded. The unusual birth rates in Israel will lead us already in 2040 to be one of the densest places on earth, only slightly after Bangladesh.
Already today we see the consequences of this density in the congestion on the roads, in the hospitals, in the shrinking green areas, in the nature reserves, in the public parks, and in the housing crisis. If there is no change - within 30 years Israel's population will double - just try to imagine what this means for the collapse of the quality of life here.
The conclusion written in big red letters on the wall is:
Reducing the birth rate is a necessary condition for the quality of life in the State of Israel!
tip of the iceberg
Many of you will say that it's not bad, so we'll give up a little on quality of life, after all, the Bangladeshis somehow survive. But this is only the tip of the iceberg - underneath it hides an existential problem.
The reason why we are on a crash course is the total fertility rate in the State of Israel, measured by the average number of children per woman.
According to the CBS data, the total fertility rate in the population in 2020 was 2.90. The highest total fertility rate was recorded among Jewish women - 3.00, followed by Muslim women with 2.99. The lowest rate (1.35) was registered among women without religious classification.
The critical figure is hidden in the segmentation of the Jewish population's fertility data.
According to the CBS, in the years 2020-2018 the fertility rate among ultra-Orthodox women was 6.64 children per woman, among religious women - 3.92, and among secular women 1.96.
This statistic makes the difference between just a country with an unbearable quality of life, and a country that has no right to exist.
Why is this so?
The ultra-orthodox segment of the population that produces these very unusual birth rates is the poorest segment and in part lacks skills adapted to the modern economy. And if all this is not enough, then the reason for this behavior is a choice that is anchored in a regressive, anti-liberal worldview and in some of the ultra-Orthodox currents - also non-Zionist.
Demographics - some numbers
The following graphs are based on data from several years ago, and on the assumption that there will be no change in the existing birth and employment patterns.
The following graph refers to the structure of the population in the years 2015-2065, and shows that unless something changes, the ultra-orthodox sector will triple its share of the population.
The following graph shows the structure of the young population today and in the future. In 2065, the young ultra-orthodox sector will already make up 49% of the young population (already today it makes up more than 20%).
In fact, following the current government's decisions to provide the ultra-Orthodox sector with additional incentives that encourage avoiding work and acquiring life skills, the real picture should be expected to be more difficult.
Education - some numbers
In the field of core studies, which form the basis for personal development in the modern economic world, the level of education of the ultra-orthodox public is very low, since it is a "group that receives one of the worst elementary educations in the Western world" (quote from "Labor productivity in Israel" by Dan Ben David - Taub Institute). This statement is confirmed by the graph below.
labor productivity
From this also derives the inability of this public to support itself, let alone make a significant contribution to the state's economy.
This weakness is expressed in very low work productivity. Only about 50% of ultra-Orthodox men work, and due to the lack of skills, even those who work are usually employed in low-paying positions, and in many cases in jobs that have no real benefit to the economy (teachers in schools that do not teach life skills, kosher supervisors, etc.).
The result is that the contribution of this public to the Israeli economy, to the growth and general well-being of Israeli society is negative.
And what is the future meaning?
Already today, the general public bears the burden of providing for part of the ultra-orthodox public, as is required from the demographic analysis. The weight of the working-age ultra-Orthodox sector will jump from 8% today, to close to 30% in 2065.
Try to imagine what this means for life here in 2065, when a smaller general public will be forced to support a public that is largely supported, whose share in Israel's population is three times greater than today (and this is before we take into account the supported publics that also exist in other segments of the population).
But that's not all yet…
The numbers don't tell the whole story.
In practice, the situation will probably be much worse, since the numbers do not take into account the effect the situation will have on the productive public in the population, the one that holds this entire Israeli-Zionist enterprise on its shoulders, economically, socially and security-wise.
The ultra-orthodox public is overwhelmingly poor, uneducated and lacking life skills relevant to the modern economy. Economically, a large part of the ultra-Orthodox public depends on the other sectors in the country for its existence. In part, he does not serve in the army, or in any other national service, he hardly contributes to society outside of the sector, he is a fundamentalist, his ideal is a Halacha state, and some of the ultra-Orthodox sects are not Zionists.
As the share of the ultra-orthodox public in the population increases, following its phenomenal natural increase, it will pull the State of Israel down economically, socially and morally.
At the same time, the share of the productive public will decrease, and it will be forced to bear a higher tax burden. Worse than that - he will also discover that he lives in a country that is becoming more and more ultra-Orthodox and anti-liberal.
In this situation, we will see more and more phenomena of despair, alienation and distance in the productive public. This will manifest itself in the transfer of high-tech companies abroad, and in an accelerated decline from the country.
And all this will happen long before 2065. The buds of this process can already be seen today.
What does this say about the direction in which Israel is going today?
This analysis, which is entirely based on official data from the State of Israel and research institutes, says that the parliament from Silicon Valley is right: Under these conditions, in the long term, the State of Israel has no right to exist.
If this situation doesn't change soon, Israel is likened to that bull being led on the Corrals track to certain death.
What will happen if we don't act? to change this situation:
- The State of Israel will collapse.
- Our sons and grandsons will not stay here, and we will lose even our moral right to demand that they stay here and fight for their country.
- The ultra-Orthodox public (and the Messianic public as well, but that's a topic for another article) will remain in a collapsed state. Without the ability to defend itself financially and security, it will simply be destroyed physically, when our many enemies will recognize Israel's weakness.
Is there a solution?
I want to believe so.
The goals that the State of Israel must set for itself in order to survive:
- Reducing the birth rate in the ultra-orthodox sector, by stopping the incentives to have families with many children.
- Tearing down the walls of the ultra-orthodox ghetto, and integrating this large public into the normative education system and the labor market.
- The integration of the ultra-orthodox sector into the army or national service, for a period of three years, in a way that creates equality in the burden.
and the practical steps derived from it:
- Complete cancellation of child allowances.
- Subordinating ultra-Orthodox schools to state education (state-Orthodox), and withholding state support from those who choose not to do so.
And why do I know these steps will help? it's simple.
Child benefit
In the years 2002-2003, child allowances were sharply cut, as part of the plan to revive the economy from June 2003, led by none other than Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
A study by the CBS who studied the effect of the cut in allowances on the birth rate stated:
"The average child allowance for a high-order child increased the probability of Arab married women giving birth by 6-7 percent and that of ultra-Orthodox women by about 3 percent, and the allowance had no effect on the fertility of all non-Orthodox and Druze Jewish women."
And one more thing from the CBS study:
"Older women, taking care of many children, with low family income and those who grew up in families with children, generally reacted more strongly to the change in the amount of the allowance."
That is, it is a change in the right direction.
A complete cancellation of the allowances would probably be even more effective.
The huge budget expenditure that will be saved can be invested, for example, in lowering the VAT - a particularly regressive tax - a move with an immediate effect on lowering the cost of living.
The education system
After the upheaval of 1977, the coalition agreement that the Likud signed with the ultra-Orthodox parties removed the limitation on the "Teaching and Art" arrangement, which had been customary until then, and actually started the destructive process whose results we are experiencing today.
The result was that the employed rate among ultra-Orthodox men dropped from 80% in 1980 to 51% today.
Note: This calculation was made according to extremely lenient criteria of the concept of "employed" as "someone who worked at some job for at least one hour a week." In practice, 39% of employed ultra-Orthodox workers worked in what was defined by the Ministry of Economy as a "part-time job", compared to only 13% of part-time workers in the general population).
The only encouraging figure here is that this public can be taken out into the labor market, and on the condition that they are not given an incentive not to work or to receive life skills education.
What does it take to do it?
Responsibility is required from the leading political parties, and the establishment of a coalition of Zionist parties without extreme parties (without ultra-Orthodox and without nationalists from both ends of the map).
The only obstacle today to such a step is The Likud, who, due to political and personal considerations of the Prime Minister, built a coalition based today in half on ultra-Orthodox and Messianic parties. I believe that the Likud can come to its senses and return to being a liberal party, which has the good of the country before its eyes.
Is it realistic?
I believe so.
The coup d'état and the absolute trolling around us, "jumped the sleepy frogs out of the pot", and made them understand that nothing, including the law of the existence of the State of Israel, is taken for granted, and we have to fight for it.
But this event also revealed the greedy behavior of the ultra-orthodox parties, and their goal of placing their public above the principle of equality before the law, and also revealed the dangerousness of the Kahanists, and the sane public will remember this, even after the current threat is removed.
These days, the differences between the Likud, Yesh Atid, the State party and Lieberman are not that great, and it should not be too complicated to build a Zionist coalition without the ultra-Orthodox and Kahnites. This will probably require Netanyahu to step down from the stage, who has already shown that he is unable to put the state above his personal interests and fears.
These days we are watching in slow motion, a tremendous tsunami rising over the State of Israel, it is doubtful if we will be able to stop it, but we must try. If we do not succeed, the State of Israel will cease to exist.
The thing that gives hope after all is the massive protest movement that has grown here.
The behavior of the current coalition, and especially of the non-Zionist and Christian elements in it, is so cynical and extreme, that it finally woke up the sane forces in Israeli society, and grew the protest movement.
This movement has already stopped the small tsunami that was planned here with the Zebang method and we are done, and now it has to turn and deal with the big tsunami that is raging above us, and that the coup d'état dwarfs next to it.
And a few words to finish
I hope that what is written here will shake and open the eyes of many of the readers, but I also expect that there will be those who will not like what they read, so I will go ahead and say:
- I brought here known and documented facts, and they are certainly shocking. The only reason they don't get enough exposure is purely political and/or political correctness.
- For those who choose to ignore these real problems, let's just say that "burying your head in the sand" has never proven to be a successful strategy over time.
- And a few words to those who would excuse themselves from discussion by calling me a "racist" and "hater of ultra-Orthodox" (it will come, I have no illusions): I am none of those.
The ultra-orthodox are good people
Many ultra-Orthodox I knew impressed me as good people, and I certainly don't hate them. On the other hand, I have a lot of criticism of the ultra-Orthodox way of life, as it is dictated by the leaders of these communities, and which bears the hallmarks of a cult.
The way of life of any sect has a destructive potential for the members of the sect. In this case, when the principle of avoiding the acquisition of life skills is enshrined, and of living while exploiting the other's resources without compensation, the damage to the environment can also be critical.
The welfare society is quite willing to share its resources with the unlucky or incompetent individuals within it. This is part of our social contract, but when an entire sector becomes like this, and more by the choice of its leaders, and in addition to that, it is also growing with the funding of the hand that feeds it, it is a model that cannot be sustained for a long time, not to mention the moral aspect of this situation.
Today's ultra-Orthodox society is a victim of its leaders, who, in order to keep it in the ghetto they created, deprive its members of life skills, and train them to eat out of the palm of their hand from the money they, the leaders, draw from the state coffers.
What I propose here will not be good for those leaders, but will be very good for their public.
Sources
- The CBS – "Israel's population forecast until the year 2065" (May 2017)
- Bank of Israel - special report of the research division - Raising the standard of living in Israel through increasing labor productivity (August 2019)
- The effect of the amount of child benefits on fertility - Esther Tolidano and others - Research and Planning Administration - National Insurance
- Labor productivity in Israel - Dan Ben David - Taub Center (2013)
- A "crowded" forum for population, environment and society
- Demography (Part Two) - Haredim for the future of Israel
- Education, employment and earnings of ultra-orthodox men in a long-term view, Ariel Karlinski, Ecclesiastical Forum (March 2021)
It's all true
. To all who know me, for over 25 years, I call to notice reality. A lot of people were angry with me... Smolensky... really, really not a leftist but an eyewitness. Just as we have a despotic messianic sect, similarly Hamas has a tyrannical messianic sect. There will never be peace, we will never defeat the Hamas. Today's 12-year-olds tomorrow are 15-16-year-old martyrs... Our sons are better than our scientists and the multitudes of our doctors are fleeing. From a backward messianic country of the Middle Ages….. ..this is a last call to bring as soon as possible to normal elections without cheating…..!!! emir. Haifa.
But Yoram, how right you are!!!
And what a pity for all of us that you are right...
Well done.
Factual, scientific, uncontroversial.
In the 7th, there are those who comment on an automatic machine. That's how it is when you don't study core studies
Minister Michaeli learned sewing..
Lapid can't find his matriculation certificate..
The wretched dictators you elect despised education more than the ultra-orthodox.
Listen to a story and learn lessons. Immediately after the Gulf War, at the end of 1991, two families of my friends left Israel. For one, the crisis was mental - Scud fell in Haifa, the child suffered from anxiety. They said that Israel in the age of the Skkadians - only a matter of time until destruction. Together with the Rhinoceros and the recession, they sold everything and moved to seek their fortune in the US. They managed to get involved in renovation and contracting companies and founded a thriving company in Arizona for the construction of private houses. The second family left in 1992 like many others for higher studies and remained on the West Coast. They did not sell their apartment , came on family vacations and, unlike the other family, did not cut off financial ties with Israel until the time of the attacks in 2003, when they made the decision to sell their house in Zichron and settle in the West Bank. They worked in an investment house and lived the American dream in 2008 The world, from which Israel came out almost unscathed. My friends' construction business, on the other hand, collapsed completely, with dozens of buyers unable to pay loans. My friends lost their company, their home and all their savings in an attempt to save the business Suffered a heart attack and died. A young farmer collected alms in the Jewish community. In the same crisis, Evin lost his job at the investment bank. He also went into the financial field and found himself fired His wife and two children from the USA to Mexico. Due to the crime in Mexico, he emigrated from there to Argentina. In 2018, the economic crisis that is collapsing Argentina's economy put it in a financial spiral. His family fled back to Israel, destitute.
In Israel, he mourns the house that his father sold when he fled Israel - one of the first Givat Eden in Zichron Ya'akov, now worth 7 million shekels. They live in a rental in the Ashkelon area.
My friends also had some relatives in Venezuela, who lived a life of nobility and luxury. Two were murdered in a violent gang robbery and the relationship worked with their children until they fled as destitute refugees to Colombia.
You can talk about collapse, crowding, demography, hatred and factions, religion and state, scads and antropane, terrorist attacks and cost of living.
For all those who think that the world is waiting for them with hugs and kisses - sober up. For all those who think that there is a country without problems and everything is guaranteed to you elsewhere - sober up. Hundreds of thousands in the casino of life bet on the meat song somewhere in the world discovered that the pot was burned. Our country is a miracle for our people, and here we stay.
I agree. We have no other country,
This is the reason we have to fight for it without compromise.
Will we fight for her without compromise?! The real sea of the enemy, all you offer is kosher where we are uprooted, withdraw, run away in exchange for more waves of terror... Why is your "uncompromising war" only against the ultra-Orthodox..
Eyal my friend,
I am a single person. It is not clear to me why you use the plural, and also attribute things to me that I did not say.
If you didn't understand, I will explain that the war is against our liberal and democratic Jewish state.
I have nothing against the ultra-orthodox. I see them as good human potential. I have a lot against their leaders who are leading them and all of us into the abyss.
And one more thing:
Next, if you want serious consideration, try to stay matter-of-fact.
This is the last time I bother to comment on this kind of rant.
This is said from a place of compassion,
You are not well and you need help.
….Paracetamol for a cancer patient. The ultra-Orthodox are already in control today. And also in all subsequent incomes from now until complete disintegration. And the wise man - his eyes in his head and a foreign passport in his pocket..
An analysis based on facts and I personally find it hard to argue with facts. Moreover, let's assume that the conclusions reached are not only correct, but that there is a possibility that in practice the situation could be more serious and in a more accelerated process.
It was mentioned in the article that in fact there is no great ideological difference between the other parts of the Zionist parties. And in the same breath the political conclusion:
"The only obstacle today to such a step is the Likud, which, for political and personal considerations of the Prime Minister, has built a coalition based today in half on ultra-Orthodox parties and Messianic parties. I believe that the Likud can come to its senses and return to being a liberal party that has the good of the country in mind."
Have you thought perhaps, and will suggest to the parliament in Silicon Valley to think about it, could it be that we left him and his voters no choice?, Could it be that hatred made us lose our minds, and we hurried to choose the path of violence and boycott our natural partners - the Likud voters?
It could be that ideology just isn't Bibi equipping anything that isn't Bibi Kerry, is there a situation where there is also a worse alternative?
Could it be that we need to take stock and come to the conclusion that violence leads to worse results?
Could it be that we all got carried away and in light of the findings of the investigation conducted by the police and the prosecutor's office, it is possible to come to the conclusion that if you choose a method in which the goal justifies the means, there is a chance of achieving the goal and losing a more important goal along the way?
The conclusion I reach from the data you put on the table:
If we are brothers, we certainly have something to argue about, but we have no disagreement about the future and character of the country.
If we are not brothers, then our brothers in Silicon Valley are right.
I preferred to deal with a certain subject, and you take me back to our baby.
I will answer only briefly:
1. The man's problem is that no one (including his accomplices) believes a word he says, and that after the exercise he did to Gantz there is no chance that anyone sane will join him.
2. This "leader" had two options: give up the leadership to someone else within his party and save the country, or create an illusory coalition and burn the country. The fact that he chose what he chose, indicates his priorities, and the material from which he is made.
This. You asked, so I answered, but we'll settle for that. This is not the subject of the article.
Despite this pessimistic outlook, I am not worried. There are two reasons for this.
A. Long-term forecasts are often wrong. At the beginning of the 20th century, the predictions were that London would be covered in horse excrement several meters high. This of course did not happen.
B. Severe poverty will finally overwhelm the ultra-orthodox. And they will start "whistling" about their blind political leadership. Most ultra-Orthodox work abroad, and not only in low-income jobs. This will happen here as well.
An interesting point.
It is true that long-term linear predictions do not necessarily come true.
But that's exactly the point:
In order for this prediction not to come true, something has to happen to disrupt it.
You believe it will happen by itself, and I think to reduce risk you have to help it happen.
Limiting birth to only the ultra-Orthodox sector, what is this racism and what about the people in the Arab sector, the Muslims, Christians, Druze, Circassians, limiting birth to everyone!!!!!!!!!
That's really not what was said.
I proposed to cancel the children's allowances for everyone, and invest the funds in another benefit, such as a VAT reduction.
I did not propose a birth restriction, but rather the reduction of incentives for childbirth.
Those who want an especially large family should be able to provide for it, and not impose the expense on the public.
I agree with the article, but according to the comments, you should understand that the majority will not read to the end and they will put a leftist sign at you - publishing the article in the middle of the political "battle" is not the best thing and the comments will deal with it more than the information in the article.
Don't expect many comments of support from the young people who see Tiktok videos and read one-line comments, so they can't meet the goal of reading an entire article.. or from those who are 40 years old and have a pot of spaghetti hung over their head saying that women who are against the ultra-Orthodox are not women, this is racism and the government doesn't make mistakes . Because all in all, this is about the majority of people who are still cold news in the country at the moment.. The rest are simply already tired of all the fights and problems and probably haven't read anything for a long time. Like me you will agree. I once wanted to live here, develop a career here, now I'm waiting for the opportunity to escape to another country and develop a career there. The country has already been destroyed, everything has already fallen, and overcrowding is only fuel for the fire that has been burning for several years.
Who is the lady threatening?
All the complainers and whiny leftists, in my personal opinion, it is better for them and for us to leave Israel.
You don't scare us enough, you hurt us more than you Jews.
64 mandates will become 74 mandates and most of the problems in the country will be solved more easily.
I wish you success and find a better country for you.
As for the 8 people who are on my 77 yen
Live here a 5z6bel newspaper serving the 67sma67nim
"There are children, a person who doesn't know how to read articles, ha ha, and also doesn't know how to write, ha ha."
Doesn't mean you know how to think.
I suggest you work to reduce the gap between the vomit you type and the wasteland you have in your mailbox
It bothers you that a starving ultra-Orthodox child receives NIS 150 a month in income support, but you don't talk about all those "former" subhumans who speak condemning the state and the government and all of them with early pensions of NIS 10, 20, and 30 thousand a month, I would enact a suitable law and send them on a one-way ticket from here and cancel They have the pensions.
Let them go and work hard, wash dishes in some dining room in Europe or America and talk about democracy there.
You are heroes with full stomachs and huge pensions, you boring and boring shamans
Sublevel not subhuman, error correction
You can't argue with factual numbers.
Now we have to decide how to translate the numbers into our daily lives.
I don't have a problem with ultra-Orthodox, I have a problem with inequality.
I don't care what institutions get.
Since the secular sector factually generates money
The government will enact a law on free universities for every student period.
Delete criteria for obtaining housing and family law of one child as family law with 10 children.
And with the IDF, the story of becoming a professional IDF paid enough with the family of the bereaved and disabled IDF which I unfortunately belong to both.
Then we will finish with the debates and fraternal wars, which in fact will not be about right-wing, left-center, center-right views, but about Shivin without criteria.
And if there is a lack of money in the public treasury, everyone will work, study and produce it.
point.
The article is too exaggerated and even more exaggerated is the headline and the startling photo. Why was it needed?
As a matter of fact, the discussion about the birth of children and the inclusion of the public, in my opinion, is appalling. Yes, on the other hand, there is a need for the employment of all the disadvantaged people in society, but only in cooperation with the parties/bodies/rabbis that represent them and God forbid by coercion.
In my opinion, the representatives of the ultra-orthodox parties are the complete opposite of what the media portrays, they are open to conversation. It is possible to offer (for example) workplaces for a certain public, for example factories that are separated only for women/men, to allow during the day Torah study and chassidim rituals, and in some of the other shifts they will work and alternate.
In any case, everything should be done in cooperation, listening, transparently with the other side. And not in such a way that generalizes and causes them to be rejected. And we should always remember that they are part of us.
Yossi, I think like you. The ultra-orthodox are here and that is a fact. It is important to change their world view that it is possible to both work and study Torah. Integrate them into society, a process that has already started when they go to school, to work and not to give up on recruiting for the IDF or national service in the first step. The process is slow and will take time, but in my estimation it is the right direction. And thanks to Yoram for the interesting article.
Dear Yoram
Very important article. The data, as stated in the article, are not new, and the turnaround that may save Israel from the bleak forecast they predict is also not new.
It all depends on what happens in the next election. If the liberal camp (both religious and secular) manage to unite and form one camp, under one leadership, that succeeds in establishing a coalition without the ultra-Orthodox, there is a chance to change direction.
If this happens, it will be possible to start turning the steering wheel so as not to collide with the iceberg.
The meaning of turning the wheel is to integrate the ultra-Orthodox into liberal Israeli society, just as they are integrated into other liberal countries... and then, when they are forced to support themselves and give their share to society like any other citizen, the threat that is expressed in the data in the article, will subside and maybe even disappear .
By the way, I didn't like the manipulative title and picture. They are indeed attractive to read the article, but they go one step too far and cause a feeling of "I was worked on".
Until there is a change in the government system in Israel, canceling allowances is not possible. So it is possible and permissible to talk, but to "address" one point, will not solve the problem. Indeed, there is a problem. The "parliament" in Nicher should deal with his life in Nicher and not here. The problems in the country are solved in the country lat on lat in California. Shabbat Shalom!
Again you blame the ultra-orthodox for all your frustrations? shame shame shame
Again people don't read articles to the end? shame shame shame
This is an article of soul facts. No accusations.
Outrageous!
Those leftists who shout "democracy" at night are talking about reducing the birth rate as in the darkest countries in the world.
Shame Shame Shame
Yoram is very right in his article. I offer another idea to solve the problem, an idea based on a compromise with the ultra-orthodox public. They will receive from us a blanket exemption from recruitment and we will receive from them a blanket exemption from their economy. In other words, a law exempting ultra-Orthodox conscription in exchange for a law on the separation of religion from the state.
Who are we working on Itzik? The recruitment cycles are so large year after year that it is only a matter of time before the army will be able to take in all the recruits wherever they are. The ultra-Orthodox and the Arabs save the Israelite a lot of headache by not recruiting.
No—the State of Israel will disappear much sooner.
All Israeli governments, under a strange Shabbat law, bring in huge amounts of Gentiles.
Already today, if you add the Arab population, Russian gentiles, infiltrators from Sudan and Eritrea that the government brought from Egypt and several hundred thousand other illegal infiltrators from all countries of the world who gather every day and no one removes them,
You will come to the conclusion that in the State of Israel, the number of gentiles is roughly equal to the number of Jews.
The ultra-Orthodox are not a problem, for the reason that they can be made to participate in the economy, in simple ways - negotiations and/or changing legislation for the distribution of resources.
Dear Jacob
The ultra-orthodox are the main problem
And I prefer gentiles who make an army than all the free food
who live off our secular money
I guess according to your views you are one of them
Because you are objective, you are not
Yaniv, most of the people think differently than you, and in your view, Meretz parties have disappeared from the political map and soon so will Labor.
Those who want a gentile country like you have many options around the world. And as for the military service is close today that it will be professional and every reasonable person understands this, then what will you say about them? who do not work? But their number in the job market increases every year. There are many people who for one reason or another live on help from the state. Why don't the media label them as secular or as Arabs/Ethiopians/Russians and the like? The hatred against such a broad ultra-Orthodox public is outrageous.
Feels like another article on the border of anti-Semitism from the same band of disgruntled leftists who reared their ugly heads and still haven't accepted the election results and the democratic majority.
Reducing the Jewish birthrate in Israel is in itself a disaster in a country surrounded by enemies, where there are approximately 2,00,000 million Arabs, 60% of whom define themselves as Palestinians and who make up 21% of the population of Israel, and their number in 48 was only about 160,000 people, or about 15% of the total population of the country. Therefore, if it were not for the Jewish birthrate, it is possible That we were here in the minority and actually become a binational state or a state of all its citizens, which is the vision of Palestinian parties and circles within us.
For the overcrowding problem, it can be suggested that all those disgruntled residents who do not accept the results of the democratic elections should look for a country that suits their standards.
This will vacate tens of thousands of residential apartments, will slightly reduce real estate prices, will free up employment places and jobs for the benefit of weak workers who until now have earned little. public).
It is true that Israel will lose about a quarter of a million Jews from it according to the demographic numbers, but Maaz will come out sweet in my opinion; There will be a renewed unity and love for Israel without those who slander it all day. On the other hand, more Jews who want to immigrate to Israel must be initiated and taken in. The government in Israel will be strengthened and the crazy demonstrations and roadblocks in Motzesh will disappear.
Israel will then become a more beautiful, safer, greener and less crowded place.
brilliant. How did I not think of that.
Some nonsense in one comment.
The population that left the country is an affluent, strong population that maintains the economy and yes, also the security - military service for example... It is the population that brings investments to the Holy Land - investments whose taxes pay for the unreasonable expenses of the elected officials, the light rail and the allowances. And then what majority will stay here? Will he love the country and live in poverty?? If they can support themselves well and without allowances, protect the homeland and bring investments and high-tech development, why haven't they done it until now??
They bring you facts and you call it anti-Semitic when even the author himself wrote at the end of the article not to treat the information as anti-Semitic or racist and that his intention was to bring facts and not make anyone feel bad. He even brought solutions to the problem that sound quite logical and should have been said a long time ago, but the political matter blocks any other problem. You just wasted time writing this because a person who read at least the last part of the article and saw the first sentence of your response will not read the response at all.
What is anti-Semitic about that? It is true that this is a Zionist country and Haridim are considered the closest to it and the fact that there are more such people in the country should be good, but not when it eliminates the rest of the population and causes overcrowding that collapses the country every year. Religion also needs boundaries, otherwise the state will only be left with your interesting response.
A more oily response than yours, it's impossible... I responded, but it's really not worth a response
What a collection of nonsense of a primitive man.
The opening in the response and the proposal do not refer personally to the writer or his articles personally but on a general level to articles and opinion columns that include the ultra-Orthodox public.
I mean the ugly head of the left, not an ugly head personally,
It is important to fix.