(haipo) - On Sunday this week (23/07/23), as published in Chai Pa, they arrived again Chassidim of Rabbi Berland Pray at the Stella Maris Church in Haifa.
Since it was Sunday, the church was full of worshippers, and a confrontation developed between them and the followers, when the worshipers tried to push the followers out of the church. Fortunately, there were no casualties in the incident. Two followers were detained for questioning by police officers and the municipality's enforcement unit, after which they were released under restrictive conditions. So far it has been known that the followers tried to enter the church. After the second time, a large demonstration of support was held in the church yard.
◄The devotees arrive at the monastery with noise and create a commotion • Watch
"The yeshiva students were removed to the bus where they arrived"
The police said that a group of about 30 yeshiva students arrived at the entrance to the Stella Maris Church in order to pray. Instead, friction developed with the Christians in the church, which escalated into violence, with no casualties. Forces from the Haifa police were called to the scene, separated the hawks and drove the yeshiva students, most of them minors, back to the bus with which they arrived in an organized manner for fear of violating public order and harming religious sentiments. The Haifa police began investigating the circumstances of the bus' arrival in an organized manner. In addition, a police team from the Haifa station will remain in place at this stage to maintain public order.
"This is a barrel of explosives that requires full force treatment"
Following the riots by Rabbi Berland's followers at the Stella Maris Monastery, a meeting was held last week between the "Urban Forum for the Promotion of Shared Life in Haifa" with representatives of the monastery and the community it serves.
Naomi De-Malach, a member of the forum, told Hai Fe:
"We were very impressed by the sincere desire of the community representatives who hosted us to resolve the conflict amicably. We also met many community members, worried and frustrated. The ultra-Orthodox group that comes to the monastery are an extremist body, not from Haifa, which brings to Haifa an evil spirit that is foreign to the character of the city. This is a barrel of explosives, And we call on the municipality and the police to act with all their might in order to prevent the flare-up that will damage the good relations fabric that characterizes the city.
The Municipal Forum for the Promotion of Shared Life in Haifa, the Municipal Forum for the Promotion of Shared Life in Haifa, aims to promote changes in favor of strengthening shared life between Arabs and Jews, and building solidarity between all neighborhoods in Haifa.
The forum calls on the entire public to act for the return of the religious status quo, and for solidarity with the church community of Stella Maris."
"They made up a lot of stories"
Reverend Jean Joseph, head priest of the Stella Maris monastery, believes that the people of the church should protect themselves. "We need to close our territory to protect ourselves, it is our right. We do not want to be prisoners of fanatics. We want to be respected. Everyone is a child of God and everyone will be welcomed with us. We respect everyone and hope that others will also respect us." .
"The question is, are these followers true believers," says the priest, "or do they just want to cause problems. If they are true believers, they can enter, but they must respect those in front of them, that's the basic condition.
I spoke to the police. These devotees came many times. But you can't come to someone else's house and do whatever you want with it. When you arrive at three o'clock in the morning and shout and disrespect people who are sleeping, it is disrespectful behavior. They say they come because of Elisha, it's not real, they believe in legends. They made up a lot of stories. We only have the graves of our leaders."
"They don't come to pray but to take the place away from us"
Adv. Raja Jamal, the legal advisor of the Carmelite Order:
"The order of the Barefoot Carmelites in the Land of Israel, which is located on Mount Carmel and its main monastery is the Stella Maris Monastery, is a papal Catholic religious order. It is an order based on the spirituality of Elijah the prophet, and therefore Carmel was chosen as one of its centers.
The Carmelite monastery has about 70,000 monks all over the world. The presence of the Carmelite monks in Israel goes back to the 13th century. The first Carmelite monks arrived in Israel during the Third Crusade and settled on Carmel in Wadi Sheik, where they established their first monastery, which still exists and they own a large part of Wadi Sheik. Their presence is very important. Their history on Mount Carmel is intertwined with the history of all the residents of Carmel, in fact the monastery of the Barefoot Carmelites was born on Mount Carmel and spread from here to the whole world and hence its importance. All Catholic monks look to the Stella Maris monastery.
The state is harming itself when it does not take care of those who harm the monastery. The believing Christians were deeply offended by what has been happening in recent weeks, because for them it is an attack on one of their important religious symbols. The rioters arrived during mass on Sunday, for us it is very serious.
There are laws that have the power to root out the phenomenon and they need to be enforced in a clear and equitable manner.
The police should understand that those who come to disturb are not praying. The church welcomes the coming of all people and gladly welcomes everyone, but these guys come to disturb, not to pray. These followers are people with a clear agenda, they come to take our place, because in their opinion we have no right to exist. We are told that they come to pray, but they come to make provocations. Everyone knows this is the truth. I understood that Jews are not supposed to pray in church, and this goes against Shulchan Aruch.
If someone comes to my house and wants to steal it, what can be done? This is private space. Many, many people said that these followers are hurting all residents of Haifa, of all religions. It is impossible to remain silent, we must forcefully demand that this phenomenon stop. If it is not handled correctly, it will continue.
They must not be defined as worshippers. The child should be named. They have another false claim that Elisha the prophet is buried here, but this is a false claim. According to all the tests we did, even with rabbis, Elisha the prophet is buried in Hebron anyway. There is no prophet buried in the church."
The police promised that they knew what to do. They have every desire to help us, but it needs to be done with a stronger hand. The Christians demonstrate in pleasant ways, and pray for peace and brotherhood, hoping that their cry will reach the local government. This is a very obscene phenomenon, and has nothing to do with Judaism. Our hope is that people will understand the truth.
The good relations between Christians and Jews in the city should be maintained. The church must not be abandoned. We are forbidden to live the way we want in our house and it is outrageous. Massive treatment is required - we call on the Haifa police to act hard."
Rabbi Shimon Elmaleh: "This is shocking and it must stop"
Rabbi Shimon Elmaleh, acting chief rabbi in Haifa, and chief rabbi of Atlit:
"It's simply shocking. It's a phenomenon that needs to stop. We need to see what the motive is. Beyond the articles in the press, we need to understand what the intentions of these people are. We need to look at what is the motive of people from Jerusalem to come all the way to Haifa and disrupt, a city where all religions get along with each other and everything is conducted on Relax. You need to study the issue."
Now the voices in the head of their schizophrenic rabbi send them to the Stella Maris monastery, once they sent them to Joseph's tomb while risking their lives, and they were even murdered and wounded on the way, once they send a poor boy to be murdered because he starts with girls.
This man is dangerous!! And the police release time after time.
be ashamed
Be strong and may heaven protect you
tTHOSE CHASIDIM KNOW THAT ELISHA IS NOT BURRIED THERE, I THINK THEY DEVELOP A WAY TO TRY AND DRIVE THOSE CHRISTAINS OUT, THAT IS WHAT THE AIM TO DO, THEY THINK THAT THEY, THE CHASIDIM WILL TAKE OVER.
THIS PLACE HAS BEEN THERE FOR CENTURIES, THEY DON'T BOTHER ANYONE, AND NOW THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH A BUNCH OF RADICALS, AND I THINK THAT IF YOU'LL ASK MANY OF THEM WHY ARE THEY THERE, THEY WOULD NOT KNOW.
SUGGESTION: THE POLICE BETTER STOP IT WHILE IT'S STILL SMALL, IF YOU'LL WAIT ANY LONGER IT WILL BECOME BIGGER, AND WORSE.
Ben-Gurion the main culprit gave them the finger now they want all the sex where they are not they cause garbage and provocations faces of incest who only want to take advantage of uneducated lazy people.
They are causing themselves very, very great future damage.
They can say anti-Semitism, but I served in the Golani with religious people who wear knitted caps, people are simply amazing, they also serve, they also work, they pray, they accept the other, they know how to combine all things together, the fact is that they are successful, pleasant people with a big heart.
Harland, you and your people are immoral people, they don't want you here, go away from my city!!!!!!
When there is a mayor who is so weak, the crime rises and rises and crosses every border, a "rabbi" group of people like you
Enough of antisemitism and generalizations! Believing Jews are not allowed to enter the church from a halachic point of view.
This is probably a very small group of private people who are only dressed as ultra-Orthodox.
It's like now saying that all secular people smoke drugs because you saw 10 guys smoking drugs at some party.
Enough of the generalizations! Enough of antisemitism!
They do not come to pray in the church, it is forbidden for a Jew to pray in a church.
They come to hate, this must not happen, to respect every faith
What machines do they have? We need to prevent them from reaching the place!!!!
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Society should not take the matter with such sensitivity, if the Prime Minister is a criminal, the Minister of Internal Security is a criminal, David Amsalam, God forbid, oozes shit out of hatred even for Jews, and the rabbi of this sect is Berland, who was accused of 3 murders that happened a few years ago, and to this day there are 2 missing people whose families are begging him to be They have a grave to go to and today Berland is in Morocco after he was accused of raping several Hasidic women in his sect so what do you expect in which direction our country is going in my opinion to an abyss that has no bottom if you don't wake up Haifais are very beautiful peoples in heart and soul and respect each other so we must act before it is too late And we say too bad
slurring They and their ilk are the ones who will rule all the residents of the State of Israel shortly. Continue to cheer on Ben Gabir, Smotritz, Rothman and Levin. Netanyahu no longer counts, the puppet of their thread.
They should be shot, they are invading private territory. I would like to see if someone would invade their yeshiva or a synagogue
I have known the church since my childhood, we have always respected them, the religious Jews are destroying the country, kick them to hell
From which yeshiva they come, it is very important to publish and reflect on the rabbi of the yeshiva
My husband, the late Dr. Yehuda Zoruf, who passed away only a month and a half ago, used to quote the sages who said:
"Proper behavior precedes the Torah"
These guys who come to the Stella Maris monastery by force and do not respect the place are a shocking mutation of Judaism and I hope that God's mercy will repay them.
They have no road and no land.
I am against riots and lack of respect for religious feelings. After writing this down, I want to continue the words of the Sages: Derech Eretz preceded the Torah and Torah preceded the Derech Eretz. Please check the words of the Sages and not just quote their words.
You probably mean the quote "If there is no way of the land, there is no Torah, and if there is no Torah, there is no way of the land." The sentence you wrote does not make sense because it cannot be that both A precedes B and B precedes A.
I didn't understand how you write that most of them are minors?
According to the videos, you can see what mature animals they are. shame on you!
This is all the work of Ben Gabir, he wants to destroy the coexistence that exists in Haifa. We must not sit quietly and the police must arrest these people. I really feel that we have reached the end of the world.
Just in case, to the extent that you are not aware of what is going through your mind.
For all the people of 'Haifa is an island of sanity'
Talk to me about May 2021 when you were afraid to leave your homes and were hidden in restaurants because of lynchings and riots..
Want to live in illusions - live in illusions.
go thz…..
"Go remember",
So for your satisfaction we will update that we do remember, well.
Is it racist to you that we remember being lynched by neighbors who five minutes before exchanged a glass of milk and a teaspoon of sugar with us in the lobby of the floor?
Work on it, the problem is with you. Maybe you will learn from us how to remember on the one hand those who stuck a knife in your back and sent you back to playing hide and seek in the ghetto - and on the other hand continue to respect and love those who didn't.
Eyal and Amri. Yes there are people like you. Indulgent. Also in May 2021, people from outside came. On both sides by the way.
Bahama coexistence will not be undermined even if they come from the north and if they come from Jerusalem. And let's not be fooled, there is no obstacle here to our entering the church. Who among us was not there? Including you Omri.
Never in the past has there been such harm and harassment. This group is taking courage from the last miserable government, which is destroying our country.
The exact same company did it several times, in several places in the country, and even succeeded.
But, never.
From time immemorial there have been messiahs who have tried and succeeded in destroying some of the statues in the garden.
What do we have for the monastery? I heard I was shocked. Stop bothering them. It is lost for us to enter monasteries and mosques. Like the Temple Mount. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef said not ours and we have no connection. This is absolutely forbidden for mosques and monasteries. The chief rabbi should come out against all the ultra-Orthodox. Kinneret sect!
Haifa is an island (not perfect and requires preservation and maintenance) of sanity that proves the possibility of a shared life based on respect. It is not possible to agitate and support these communities against others.
We, the liberal residents, Haifa people who want peace and good spirits, need to mobilize and fight the invaders who claim legitimacy, among other things, from the country's religion and the lack of governance. Presumably, if it were the other way around (Arabs "interfere" with the normal course of life of believing Jews) the treatment would have been more intense.
Living together means keeping away Jews who want to pray in Elisha's cave?
Valk I didn't understand, are you apartheid Jews out?!
The Messiah accepts everyone, Jews first of all, because he himself was a Jew, invited to pray at our entrance and get to know God and Christ
Elisha is not buried there..as I will say the holy phallus is buried inside your house and I have to take it...because it is a holy place for me...
Hahahaha no why suddenly because suddenly a Jew is allowed to stand in front of a huge cross and 50 other Christian symbols and pray when it is forbidden according to Halacha because of racism and hatred for free in the Torah!!!
This is not Elisha's cave and it will be well explained
Let them go pray somewhere else
did you understand
Jews are not allowed to pray in church. There are pictures and statues of Jesus there, which is idolatry.
Whoever wants to pray there cannot call himself a Jew
Shameful and shocking behavior of a bunch of ignorant extremists.
Ready to help and join the forum for a shared life in Haifa.
They are really a vile sect that sows a shepherd among the peoples inciting wars all over the world because of them the whole world does not like us
May they be ashamed of their actions and may God punish them, how much anger do I have for them, may they be ashamed of their actions
They just want to pray the way the Christian wants to pray.. Those who invested and read the article can understand that even if their grandfather built here..
This is a different country than what they want..
And they should respect more..
They are the guests in Carmel, Haifa, Israel
I suggest you take a trip around Kinneret to understand well what I mean
Live and let live in my country
Father, mother, brothers and nephews served for our country
The women from the monastery never served in the army for the country
They are not followers, they are a vile cult that only causes problems if it is between themselves and if it is between them and the environment.
Insolence and shame.
you are right