(haipo) - Residents of the Neve Shanan neighborhood in Haifa continue to complain about the loud Shabbat reception, during which Hasidic songs are played at high volumes through loudspeakers placed on the roof of a building in the Ziv Center. The residents: "This is a violation of the status quo" - "coercion for anything".
As I recall, last March it was published in Hai Pa that the residents of the neighborhood are complaining that they were forced to accept Shabbat in a way that for most of them violates their peace, especially in the central Ziv area, this was due to the playing of Shabbat songs at an excessive volume according to them, through loudspeakers placed on the roof of one of the buildings on Shalom Street on you
The residents expressed their displeasure and submitted complaints to the municipality for disturbing the peace and unreasonable noises since three months have passed and as of today nothing has been done and every week the songs are played over and over. The residents continue to complain and the Director of the Public Complaints Department Yossi Cohen even sent one of the residents a letter in which it is written that the municipality issued an order to dismantle and remove the speakers.
If that was not enough, the Association of Cities for the Protection of the Haifa Bay Area conducted an inspection on its behalf, in which the noise was measured on the spot, following which it sent a letter to the Haifa Municipality at the beginning of June (7/6/23) signed by Nadav Barzali, Coordinator of Acoustics and Radiation, Association of Cities of the Haifa Bay Area for Environmental Protection, in which It is noted that exposure to noise levels measured in the test and reaching 90 decibels (A) is dangerous to health.
The maximum noise levels measured reached 90 decibels (A), an exposure that is considered dangerous to health
In the noise measurement report of the Association of Cities for the Protection of the Haifa Bay Environment conducted on the spot, it is written: "The maximum noise levels measured when the speakers were turned on on the day of the measurement reached 90 decibels (A). Exposure to these noise levels and for this length of time is considered dangerous to health. Hanging external speakers and playing music under the open sky causes others a forced nuisance, and the environment as a whole must be taken into account."
Recommendations:
"The owner of the property at 3 Shalom Aleichem Street, Haifa, should be contacted, with a demand to him and to the tenant who allows the use of loudspeakers from the roof of the rental building in this manner - the loudspeakers must be completely and immediately removed and the use of a sound amplifier or similar device must be stopped in a residential area for the purposes of advertising or announcements."
A resident of the neighborhood, a student at the Technion (his name is withheld in the system) said in a face-to-face conversation:
"I experience it very hard. I am an ultra-Orthodox who came out in Shala and now lead a secular lifestyle. I have trauma and when I hear ultra-Orthodox music I get anxious and have trouble sleeping. In addition, it is difficult to study and concentrate. You have to understand the intensity of the noise, the distance between the Technion and the center of the loudspeakers is about two a kilometer and it is loud and noisy at crazy levels. The Haifa municipality promised that the issue was being addressed and that the owner of the building was asked to dismantle the speakers, but this was not done. This is coercion for everything."
Mimi Peretz, activist and resident of Neve, who we talk about in a live conversation:
"Personally, it doesn't bother me because I don't hear it inside my house. But without a doubt this is a violation of the status quo, because it's not something that used to exist. I hear a lot of echoes and complaints from the residents who say that it bothers them a lot, makes noise and is a nuisance for everything. I am secular and my children are religious and observant and I respect everyone, but I think that it should not be voiced loudly and disturb the peace of those who are not religious or observant. Let everyone accept Shabbat privately. As soon as it disturbs the population and a certain group, it is a violation of the status quo. It violates the peace and violates the balance."
Another resident, who lives on the street where the speakers are installed, tells Lehi Fe:
"We are used to the fact that Neve Shanan has been a neighborhood where religious and secular life has been mixed for decades. This act of actually accepting Shabbat is appropriate for neighborhoods with an ultra-Orthodox religious background. Beyond this point, any disturbance to the public is not normal in my opinion, including the issue of the muezzin who plays the prayers in the Hadar area and the city The bottom line is that even there there are residents who are disturbed by the noise as public noise, but the difference is that these mosques have existed for many years even before the neighborhoods changed the nature of the loudspeakers in the Neve Shanan.
Chairman of the Union of Cities for the Protection of the Environment, Attorney Sharit Golan:
"The report with our recommendations speak for themselves and we expect the municipality to use its powers legally to remove the hazard that harms thousands of residents."
Yehiel Levy, director of the organization "Noam Kedushot HaShabbat" gave Lahi Fa in response: "Please contact the government to pass the muezzin law so that we know how to do what the law says, including Shabbat loudspeakers.
The residents of Haifa don't mind the reading of the muezzin 5 times a day, but a speaker of less than two minutes of Shabbat entrance songs does."
No response was given from the Haifa municipality.
Everyone from the Galilee residents is welcome,
Only that there it is a prayer in Arabic from the mosques.
The solution is simple: go to the electrical cabinet in the stairwell of the building where the speakers are placed, and remove the switch.
As with our fellow Druze. Whoever harmed the public, burn the site
I recommend the method of our Druze brothers. Just burn the building and it will stop by itself.
The voice of the muezzin, believe me, is also very disturbing to the Christian Arabs in Hadar and the Muslims will obviously want to say something about the church bells. The issue here is less the noise, but the lack of a clear law regarding decibels, area, allowed hours and periods of time. There is no point in talking about violating the status quo because Arabs and especially Haredim multiply faster than other populations.
We would like these two populations to talk to each other with all the cards on the table and stop fighting on other people's backs (which are still the majority of the population)
All of which are located outside my bedroom window, operate from 6 in the morning continuously until 12-1 at night and make noise like a power plant.
Compulsion?
Your selectivity about what is forced and what is not is one of the retards there is
And the difference between this and a song played by Nola Sox?
If the melody is a lo-fi style, will it slide better in your throat?
Wow Yani
We are heading for a civil war.
Successfully!
What about the screams of the muezzin? It's much more disturbing
The reaction of the neighborhood bomber in Jewish speakers, oh, the Noam movement, how pleasant, is - why are they? In Haifa sits a bully who, instead of respecting people, invents excuses in Ramat Gan. Heartlessness or heartlessness? lack of enforcement.
Any public noise and it doesn't matter if it comes from loudspeakers or increased noise coming from inside an apartment is always a compulsion on those who have to endure the noise. Unfortunately, we live in a third world country where the noise laws are almost never enforced.
Everyone does their own thing, like in a primitive country and not a progressive western country.
This is the State of Israel. A country where many of the citizens have very low mental abilities and as a result the behavior is accordingly.
This is manifested in noise without consideration, it is manifested in people putting their feet on seats in public transport. It comes down to insurance that people talk on the phone in public transportation as if it shouldn't bother anyone.. Israelis in large numbers do not know basic manners. A country of primitives. It's the truth
You're right, you're right, but think what a paradise here compared to the neighbors in Syria. it's all relative. In the meantime we will focus on disorders that affect large amounts of people. In London there is one policeman for 20 people, here there are more people than policemen on the streets so it is not realistic to treat every boy who puts his feet on the seats.
I usually place files full of paperwork/copies. The practice of resting there has existed since the long time when there were no travelers, unfortunately - there was always some crazy short old man/foreigner who resented the 'luxury'.
I usually put bags full of paperwork/copies. The practice of resting there has existed since the rather long time when there were no passengers, but unfortunately there was always - there was always some weird short old man/strange Indian-Russian-foreigner who resented the 'luxury'.
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To all the "Jews" of the peoples of the lands, who so badly want to be compared to a muezzin - I understand that speakers are instead of bookcases with you, but if you had ever opened a book, you might have known...
"One Galach asked Rabbi Yosef. He said: "Why don't you have keshish (bells)? He said to him: Come, my people. They both went to the market and heard salted fish merchants loudly announcing them. Then they went to the gate of the fine fish and they would not announce them. He said to him Why do they do this, he said to him: the finest goods announce themselves and do not need to announce, and for that we have no negroes."
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All the best to you, dear Jews, keep going, everything is fine, you don't interfere when the Jews welcome the Sabbath with songs, what's more, the time is permitted, but there are "Jews" who suffer by the very fact of being Jews, so we'll see you complaining against the muezzin from Usfiya Street in Halisa, who screams from the mosque at four o'clock in the morning and can be heard in Ramot Sapir, you don't Dare to complain against him because they will slaughter you scoundrels and racists like you. You are a shame to the Jewish people.
Nice, comfort
It's not a problem Jew-haters, the problem is that in the Spir Mountains you can hear the muezzin from the mosque in Chalissa, sometimes early in the morning there is a screaming silence from the mosque. And that's fine in your opinion
Didn't have enough money for Dania?
Noise, which is a nuisance to the public is not normal. No matter the language, background or religion. You just have to respect everyone. Examine each noise and decide about each one separately.
run I will vote for you
We are disturbed by the muezzin in the lower city. So do the bells. Who cares?
A good and clear law - missing. Who did you choose for the government?
Anywhere, try to build a pergola and see how quickly inspectors will come to you with fines
To the ultra-Orthodox sector that violates the law, the municipality in the Kalish Authority grants an exemption from municipal fees,
Not bad, the cliché doesn't have much time left
destroy our city
A permanent municipal inspector, sitting near Carmel Hospital, especially when all paid parking is sold out. 500 NIS per person whose fault it was to be sick at the wrong time. In practice there is no one to talk to. I would go by bus... if I was in Europe.
The purpose of the speakers is brute force and a demonstration of superiority in space. All religious people know when Shabbat begins and do not need to be informed, and those who happen to miss it just need to open a newspaper, Google or count the stars.
It has no practical purpose other than a creeping takeover. It starts with loudspeakers and ends with separate sidewalks and eggs on girls wearing skirts above the knee. Stop being the messiah's donkey already or they will spit on you and you will be kicked out of your neighborhood.
Sometimes you have to repeat these obvious things because the suckers don't die but are just replaced by new ones.
For your information, we residents of West Carmel suffer greatly from the muezzin. 2023 that the worshipers of both sides will use up-to-date technologies. We are tired of suffering, we are looking for another place to live, probably already outside of Haifa.
The mosques and loudspeakers law will be enacted. Amen.
This is exactly what their intentions were: to increase their area of influence.
The muezzin of the Arabs is worse than hearing Allah Wukbar
And singing before Shabbat makes me happy that I hear a muezzin upsets me and the dead in Haifa
What is hateful to you, do not do to your friends, nor to your neighbors and residents of your neighborhoods, and the stupidest thing is to your customers...
The muezzin in the Halisa neighborhood is very disturbing. especially early in the morning.
The loudspeakers that were installed in the streets below us, such as Rabbi Akiva St. and Ramat Vizhnitz, are really a nuisance. Every Friday already in the early afternoon. The music gets louder for an hour or two before Shabbat begins! Years ago it was customary to warn only when Shabbat began. It's no longer a matter of this religion or another. It's a nuisance. It's coercion in the public space. There is a law And the law must be respected.
That's the problem:
Even though there is a law - there is no clear determination of responsibility and punishment
Noise is considered to be a very dangerous source of environmental pollution, also a continuous low decibel is dangerous
The neighbors' solution is simple.
Install identical loudspeakers that will play the same songs and at the same volume, half an hour before Shabbat, and again half an hour after Shabbat. We will see the neighbors learning from the tunes playing when Shabbat is coming...
Finally some practical advice. "Don't do unto others..."
Preference for Bach please.
Girls who make a commotion with a few minutes of music once a week before lighting the Shabbat candles.
Not everyone wastes candles (except during a power outage at night). You should assume less about the other person
Traditional and Hebrew songs are assigned, but no one speaks or mentions the Arabic songs, the whole evening they sing like jackals who are being hunted with loud voices and no one silences or lowers the voice.
What about the speakers on the mosque in Kabbir?
Even there the noise increased by dozens of decibels
that first they dismantle the loudspeakers of the mosques. What does it matter how long they exist? A nuisance is a nuisance.
Then they will close Arab restaurants like Shavatina on the Bat Galim Promenade, which is open on the evening of Memorial Day, and plays loud music, and they will be fined.
Then they will disperse noisy weddings that take place in Kabbir on the eve of Memorial Day, fine and imprison the organizers.
Then, and only then, should the loud Haredi music be taken care of.
It also seems suspicious to me that ultra-Orthodox people play music on Shabbat evening. On the eve of Shabbat, Shabbat has already entered, and ultra-Orthodox are forbidden from playing music of any kind.
It probably only really takes about two minutes.
In the 1960s, my grandparents lived on Geula Street, and about half an hour before Shabbat, a car would drive by and blow its horn, to announce that Shabbat would be coming soon.
It didn't bother anyone.
That is:
If you want to visit me first, you will be perfect, and as for the definition of "perfect" we have a separate conversation.
very interesting,
Maybe they will dismantle the speaker of the anti-Semites from Kabbir who do the same thing only for other reasons?????
And what about the muezzin and the weddings in the Kabavir neighborhood of the Ahmadi sect to which the reporter belongs? There is no end to it
Tired of Haredi coercion. You cause hatred towards you
I forwarded the article to the IDF Home Front Command
There is no doubt that a mosque should be built on Shalom Aleichem Street and the muezzin will proclaim Allah and Akbar. For the sake of balancing the ears and awakening God from His peace
It's apparently very funny to see people's slaps from "up" unless it's your work 🤣
Maybe replace with Allah and Akbar speakers or it's fine for you
As usual, there is no response from the city of Haifa. Simply, because Haifa Municipality does not exist. They ignore the residents of the city and we will ignore them on election day...
Unless your son is accepted to work in Haifa municipality and then things will work out.
In short, Waldman is the address!
Violent religious compulsion to take over while violating the law.
The authority is required for real enforcement and huge fines for the deliberate disregard for the law and the residents
Religious coercion according to the law - is not "religious coercion".
This is what happens when - a law does not exist or it has holes the size of a lowly cow.
There is the muezzin. They will also be dismantled
And what about the muezzin in Wadi Salib? day and night. Why not download them? This is not Saudi Arabia. This is a Jewish state.
Even in Saudi Arabia they don't deserve to suffer like this. Even religious people don't exactly choose to listen to music in a forced and loud way. It's not okay, in any religion, period.
All these religions impose their presence on the whole environment, then demand consideration and equal and fair treatment. Well, they don't deserve it, as long as they go out of their way to interfere with everyone else living their lives as they chose
right. They are supposed to play classical music 🤣
What self-hatred, anything with the spirit of Judaism makes people sane.
And what about the deafening muezzin every day in Wadi Salib? It's not once a week but several times a day and in the early morning hours
There should be one law for all
Did you do anything in favor of this law? Or did you choose Bobo?
I wish for the opponents of 5 minutes of fun music on Shabbat that the tenant of the Arab sector will come to them and play Arabic music every day all day and that his balcony will be full of guests who will disturb the neighbors then, we will see them because as long as the muezzin does not decide for them
Esther and why must someone be raped to listen to the noise, if you can enjoy a pleasant silence?
No religion should force its presence on anyone, even as a religious person I would not want them to pierce my ear with music that I did not choose, and I would not dare to force my music/noise on anyone else.
Just rude and inconsiderate behavior to say the least. It is no wonder that the religious (of any religion) are abusing themselves
I don't understand Hasidic music, does that bother you? You want to hear the muezzin instead
Reassurance can be requested in a pleasant way. weaken and not clash with them
Be good Jews to your brothers
Neither this nor that, thanks. The right of residents to live a reasonable life, regardless of who the source of the nuisance is. The fact that in the Arab sector the noise nuisances are more severe, does not make another noise nuisance good.
Better listen to you
The voice of the muezzin, believe me, is also very disturbing to the Christian Arabs in Hadar and the Muslims will obviously want to say something about the church bells. The issue here is less the noise, but the lack of a clear law regarding decibels, area, allowed hours and periods of time. There is no point in talking about violating the status quo because Arabs and especially Haredim multiply faster than other populations.
We would like these two populations to talk to each other with all the cards on the table and stop fighting on other people's backs (which are still the majority of the population)
As long as the witch is mayor nothing will move. Many of her voters come from the ultra-Orthodox, so you dance to their flute. Parasite Brotherhood. At the end of October he will get rid of her and maybe something will move.
bullshit. lies and incitement.
First, you give far too much credit to the ultra-Orthodox who will vote for a woman and another secularist.
Second, what's the connection? Until this issue even reaches the head of a city, there are countless steps in which this obscene act can be stopped.
You will direct the claims to their proper place, whoever is responsible for the source of this noise, whoever encourages it, and whoever is tasked with enforcing the order he is against and has not yet done so.
The loudspeakers of the Sephardic Yeshiva on 58 HaGalil Street in Neve Shanan in the city should also be dismantled. Every Friday they make a horrible noise. No wonder the neighbors are even wearing knitted caps hot on them.