(haipo) - The Finance Committee approved last night (Tuesday 13/9/22) the construction of the road from Mor Street in the Kabbir neighborhood to Shlomo Hamelech Street in the Neve David neighborhood. The design of the road has already been approved, so now, all that remains is to start paving and cutting the ribbon. According to the planned schedules, the construction of the road will last 18 months, so the ribbon will be cut by the next mayor, whoever he or she will be, Einat Kalish Rotem or one of the candidates facing her in a year and a month.
The delay in building the road was the difficulty in obtaining financing for it. According to the municipality's estimates, this is 80 million NIS. City engineer Ariel Waterman delivered an orderly breakdown to the municipal treasurer Shmulik Marmelstein, in which he proposed that the municipality raise 35 million NIS out of the 80 million of the loans it will take. At a finance committee meeting, the opposition council managed to change the proposal and those 35 million NIS will come from the municipality's funds, which are in the hands of the economic company. The remaining 45 million will come from the municipality and the state budget.
"A significant achievement for the residents of the city - part of the funding will come from the economic society"
"In the finance committee, we approved the city engineer's request for a budget to plan roads from the closed neighborhoods," said council member Sharit Golan Steinberg at the end of the committee meeting. "Regarding the road coming down from Carmelia, the expected planning refers to a point that will start at the end of Vizzo (and not from Leah Street as some of you thought) to the hostel to the west. This is a budget for the planning of five roads which will later be open to public comments, so that everyone can refer to them (there is also currently no source of funding for the construction road). We also determined that the financing will be through the economic company that holds funds that belong to the public."
In addition to finding the sources of funding for the approved road, the finance committee also approved 15 million NIS for the purpose of planning 5 additional roads from the imprisoned neighborhoods. In Waterman's letter, he emphasizes once again how crucial the planning of roads and their construction is to the safety of the city's residents in emergency situations, when one of the neighborhoods must be left as quickly as possible and allow the entry of emergency vehicles for the purpose of rescue or extinguishing fires. This amount should also come from the funds, which are in the hands of the economic company.
The roads could already be paved
On the one hand, this is a tremendous gain for the residents of the city in general and the residents of Kabvir and Carmelia in particular, if in a year and a half or two years they will have access to Neve David and Route 4. We are talking about emergency situations, which is of course the most important, but we can also talk about a significant reduction in traffic jams and nerves, when it will be possible to get off Straight from the neighborhood to the beach road without the need to get to the Sea Road or the Freud Road.
And not at our expense
At the same time, we must not forget that even 4 years ago, in October 2018, the Haifa Municipality had the full amount for the construction of the road from Kabbir to Neve David and also for the rest of the roads from the closed neighborhoods, and if they had started building them immediately before the election, there is a high probability that some of them would have already been paved Today, maybe even all of them. It is hard to imagine the change in Haifa's roads, if these roads were to join the existing roads. Today, there are times when it is very difficult to go up the Freud roads and the sea road, because they are the only roads that connect the ridge with road 4 and the southern slopes.
If 6 more roads were added, every resident could go down or up the road from his neighborhood or the adjacent neighborhood, and Freud and Derech Hayam would begin to serve only or mainly the residents of Ramat Eshkol, Ahuza and the Carmel Center, and the traffic jams would be dramatically reduced. All this did not happen, as we know, and time will tell how much more will pass before we get to enjoy the fact that it will indeed happen.
Michal, is it true that you said there was already a budget for the construction of the roads from the imprisoned neighborhoods, you just forgot to write who gave up this huge budget at the beginning of her term with most stupidity and superficiality....
If you don't have a problem that there is no quick exit to highway 4 and you don't think it could be a problem that all the exits from the neighborhoods are for Horev and Moriah. Release the construction of Tama 38, they are not the ones who created traffic jams in the neighborhood (I am not a realist nor am I related to it)
The traffic jams on the ridge are not in your neighborhoods and in fact the people who create them are the people of the neighborhoods who pass by there..
Find an alternative way…. And it is desirable that you travel by public transport
Generally, the objectors and complainers are those who have already taken advantage of their rights and do not come from a clean place.
There are elections in about a year,
I hope you elect representatives who will encourage development for the city and not shut it down for another 5 years.
That the elected mayor knows how to conduct himself and that politics will not kill the city.
Successfully
Ramat Begin is not imprisoned. It has 2 Idar Watson entrances and a third entrance from the 100 meter connection between Natan Alterman and Koipman.
Why lie to the public?
Because there is a real estate interest.
Carmelia has 4 entrances/exits. is not imprisoned. Litany. hornbills Heinrich Heine. Rachel.
Why lie to the public?
Because there is a real estate interest.
Mansion is not gated it has 3 entrances/exits. Gat Vitkin and Mapo.
Why lie to the public?
Because there is a real estate interest.
Not *the public
One road in the neighborhood is a death trap and it doesn't matter how wide it is.
What's more, it is doubtful whether it can be expanded to 2 more lanes for public transportation and garbage trucks, since no one cares about parking anymore, not even public parking, and don't forget that in most houses there is a maximum of one parking lot per apartment, at best.
Exiting and entering each neighborhood could be an excellent solution, although I don't see how it could be implemented in the next 20 years.
In any case, to prevent passing through the neighborhood, you can think of 2 control points, at the beginning and at the end, and only the cars of the residents of the neighborhood will open the checkpoint.
What they say is a private road, but keep in mind that no one will finance these types of roads and due to the topography they are very expensive.
So come up with ideas and propose to the engineering manager, maybe something will come out in the end.
And the residents of the neighborhoods should start organizing and think of solutions and not expect the mayor to solve the problem.
Let's prevent the next disaster because traffic jams are a small problem in the holocaust to block roads during a disaster.
The disaster is in the car park. This is what Merich prevents and you do not understand that this is also the solution to the quality of life in the city.
No amount of additional roads will help but destroy the Uadit.
Roads with roadblocks is wonderful, it won't happen because the purpose of the roadblocks is real estate and not 'in case of emergency'. The purpose of the roads is to create a false representation that can be loaded with more Tama 38 because 'we solved the traffic jam'. No, you created another traffic jam and another damage to the neighborhood. Internalize this before the neighborhoods are really locked up and ask Ramat Begin and Darech Haim how a road through them 'released the traffic jam'. You are delusional.
As soon as all the coastal neighborhoods and all Neve Shanan neighborhoods try to enter neighborhoods loaded with vehicles because of Tama 38 such as Kabir, Carmelia and Azoza, the catastrophe will grow to enormous proportions and then they will cry why there are huge traffic jams and it is impossible to enter and leave the neighborhoods. A trailer for the 'blocking the neighborhoods' phenomenon occurs in the mornings when children are brought to kindergartens and schools and everything comes to a standstill for an hour. Maybe then the residents of Asfamiya will wake up from the (nightmare) dreams of the roads and realize that they must have public transportation and not additional roads that will only lead to additional vehicles and traffic jams. And the destruction of the ridge neighborhoods as a freeway, such as Ramat Eshkol, which is enclosed by the Freud road, so they will be truly closed when crossings are made through them...then they will truly be called enclosed neighborhoods. When a thousand vehicles try to go up after a game at the stadium through Ruth Naomi and Rachel Street to the Moriah Road, or through Harofe Whitkin and end up in the neighborhoods for two hours in a traffic jam, there is no movement, no entry or exit, then maybe they will wake up and realize what damage they have caused. Apparently 20 minute traffic jams in the morning at the exit are not enough for them. They want two hours.
Why don't you use public transportation and bring your children to school in your private car.
I don't believe that if there is public transportation you will do it and unfortunately you won't ride it either. But you can try this quick and easy option. And I hope I'm just pessimistic.
And most importantly, besides grumbling and resisting, you will bring practical ideas for a solution.
It is not possible for a neighborhood to have one origin.
Think about what would happen if, God forbid, a disaster occurs
There is a solution and it is to force the public to understand that parking spaces along the streets entering the neighborhoods must be given up in favor of a regular public transportation route that will serve as a route for emergency evacuation buses and fire trucks.
There is no other solution, and this solution will be one-tenth cheaper than road engineering that will jam traffic jams along the neighborhoods, and in an emergency, the mayor's "winding roads" will turn them into death traps for hundreds of vehicles in one big traffic jam exactly where the fire could jump on the slopes of Huada. As a routine, every day thousands of vehicles will try to get to the axis of the ridge through narrow streets in the neighborhoods (such as Kadima, Rachel, Soroka and Whitkin
and create a truly closed neighborhood for many hours every day.
Good afternoon and now that there will be a road from Ramat Eshkol to Dania and from Dania to the Carmel Castle, the next mayor will open the city after the current mourning ends
All the real estate agents are already celebrating on the way down from Carmelia. What happened, the apartment of 2.5 million is not enough, you need it to be worth 3 million?
Slow down. As soon as all Vardia Samson and Romma pass through Carmelia to the coastal road:
A. Noise all day like on the sea road
B. Huge traffic jams at the Zafarir intersection today are child's play compared to what will happen (think about what happens when 200 vehicles bring children to Bihas Barzel in the morning and multiply that many times and all the hours of the day
third. All the roads in the neighborhood will become dangerous for children. Trucks, motorcycles, etc. will race
d. All Noveh David Neot Peres 'shortcuts to the center of Carmel' through Carmelia and Kabirim. Thousands of vehicles all day.
Do you really want this nightmare? It is not for nothing that the residents of Kabvir are fighting fiercely against the connection road to Neve David.
As someone who supported the mayor of the city, I am amazed at her. From Carmelia to the Perhud road, the aerial distance is 800 m. But the fact is that all the residents of Dalit al Carmel, all the residents of Usafia, and all the residents of Nesher in the high buildings (near Sabioni Dania) and all of Golda, all of Almogi, and all of Dania, and all of Begin On the Freud road is this normal???. Instead of opening a road west of Madania, and from Golda level to the west, the mayor is throwing sand in our eyes. Shame on all her promises.
The residents of Ra'anan St., Kadima, Kabir and the rest of the area are not at all interested in opening a road in the direction of Neve David. Soon the silence will turn into a busy thoroughfare.
beauty. And when will Carmelia be connected???
God willing, never
The important question is why the district committee canceled the additional road that was supposed to connect from Horev Street, between Begin Vardia neighborhoods to Route 4, the plan was also canceled by it in the new outline plan of Haifa.
Both the district and the local prefer not to deal with the residents.
It doesn't seem like there will be a mayor who will do that.
Maybe when a disaster happens, the state will take it into its own hands and not ask the residents or the gatekeepers who guard the Uadit and the landscape. (I also believe that they should be preserved, but I see no other way out)
Congratulations for planning and a great idea. Waiting for an access road
From Bat Galim to the coastal road. A closed and enclosed neighborhood.
If they don't find funding, then it is possible to build an Omega facility, which can also be used as a tourist attraction during normal times.
Omega one by one while burning? Only the other 309 will have their ass burned
So much talk and talk.
In practice they do nothing and continue to tell stories.
All in preparation for the elections.
The Sorok Freud road has been approved for 15 years and there were already funds to pave it and no one has paved it.
Let them start working...
The Soroka Freud road is also planned in detail, but the mayor is afraid of riots by the residents in the estate
(a strong population that is probably counting on them in the elections)
Why not start at the same time there as well.
The descent from Kabbir might tidy up the roads in the Kabbir neighborhood, but it will not solve the exit from the neighborhoods.
The plans for the descent from the other neighborhoods are not approved (and unfortunately have not even passed the initial stage).
This is just election propaganda.
Let's see the uproar that will be caused by the plans proposed by the mayor in cooperation with the Roads Division for getting out of the neighborhoods.
You don't need much, just look and it's enough to understand that it's something amateurish (scenic, transportation and economic) to please the mayor's decisions and that it won't pass the test.
As long as the planning of the roads to descend from the ridge will be the responsibility of the Haifa Municipality, no mayor will be able to approve plans to descend from the ridge towards Route 4.
I suggest that you take it out of the hands of the Haifa municipality and transfer the handling to the planning manager for infrastructure planning.
Maybe then there is a chance.
Sorry for the pessimism...
Why don't entrepreneurs offer to build along the roads where possible?
And that's how they will finance the road!
Or at least part of it!
They could make it a toll road. Good morning
Barriers should be made on the roads that will be opened for buses to shorten the time for public transport only.
Who wants a car that gets stuck in the traffic jams it creates.
These roads should be paved and encourage bus use.
They could have made it a toll road and public transportation (similar to the highway), and that would have solved the financing problem, and there would have been a private investor who would have built the road
As usual, pathologist Michal 'it's hard to imagine the change'. What is the change? More traffic jams, more noise, more parking shortages, more air pollution. This is the amazing change you want. A city that is being destroyed without public transportation I hope that the municipality of Harta-Kharfa will come to its senses and realize that roads are not the solution, they do not twist and turn, but only efficient scenic transportation and roads that will be used exclusively for public transportation. Any paved road must not be opened to private vehicles. Lock your car at home in the 'confined' Shekinah and ride buses like in the entire developed world.