In Haifa's Dania neighborhood, on Shalonsky Street, a family has been living in an unfinished and unauthorized building for nearly 20 years
The neighbors are afraid of fires
On Shalonsky Street in the Dania neighborhood of Haifa, a family lives in a building whose construction was never completed, for which Form 4 was never received (a permit from the municipality allowing the building to be occupied) and which is pirated to the electricity. According to neighbors, despite appeals to the municipality and the state auditor, no one is doing anything about it. The main claim of the neighbors is that the building has a neglected yard with felled trees and wild vegetation that create fertile ground for the formation of fires that could damage the entire neighborhood.
The old neighbors tell
According to neighbors who have lived nearby for many years, the owners of the apartment began to build it in 1976 with the help of two laborers. At the same time, we built several more villas and apartment buildings throughout the city. Apparently following some family event, the construction of the apartment on Shalonsky Street was stopped, and the place became a warehouse for building materials and an alleged drug den. In 2003, the owners of the apartment completed the construction in two rooms out of the entire apartment, and they have been living there for the last 19 years.
'There is no law and there is no justice'
The apartment was never completed and did not receive the municipality's approval for occupancy (form 4 as mentioned). Because Form 4 was not received, the building cannot be connected to electricity, so the family operates a generator, which supplies electricity to the apartment.
Neighbors who live nearby claim that the building's yard is full of wild vegetation, scraps and piles of wood for heating in the winter: "We live nearby, and every time I pass by, I see the huge potential for fire and am filled with fear. It makes no sense that no one intervenes in what is happening here and allows these people to live here and endanger everyone who lives around. I contacted the municipality, because from what I know it is not allowed nor is it safe to live in a building without Form 4. The municipality told me that because it started a long time ago, they will not require the tenant to issue Form 4 nor will they prevent him from living there. Also contacting the inspector The state that will require the municipality to comply with the law regarding Form 4 has not borne fruit. I do not understand which city this is and which country this is, that there is no law and no justice and anyone can do what they want."
The police said in response that the issue should be checked with the municipality.
Haifa Municipality: 'The building does not have Form 4'
In response, the municipality stated that the building was issued a building permit in 1975, but no Form 4 was issued to it:
"The issue of the generator will be examined by the Union of Cities for the Environment in 2021. In an on-site inspection conducted this week by the municipal enforcement department, waste hazards were found and the owner of the property will be required to clean the yard and act to remove the hazards."
What whiners.
What bothers you so much? live and let live. People are people. There is no fire and there is no problem. Only people who live there. What bothers you so much?
And two fifty more the next day.
Can you look more than a meter ahead? were you born yesterday Have you ever heard of the Negev?
Do you have space in your garden?
There is also construction waste on 16 Geula St. that endangers the public. Kirat Haifa does nothing. Why is the owner of the land linked to a businessman in the Haifa municipality?
Housing crisis their right to live! This bureaucracy is a policy of the combines somewhere in the government offices and authorities
Please be smart about it,
Rights have a fairly clear legal definition.
This is about a choice, whether by choice or no choice, it is still a choice, and with your personal choices no one has to flow.
It is possible to help, as a human gesture and out of a true understanding of the housing crisis that many of us are experiencing. And it doesn't have to either.
If tomorrow I find a small, green corner between two houses on the estate and connect with masking tape four plaster walls that I bought at the Home Center, that is my choice, not my right.
Taking out Form 4 at the municipality is a discouraging attempt
Dear Israelis, in today's reality everyone allows themselves to judge others according to how they see things as right and more than that allows themselves to go and agitate other people so that their opinion will garner some sympathetic responses from people who also do not understand the situation itself at all. I share that I am a single parent who, after 11 years of renting apartments, came to a situation where I have been living in an abandoned building without water or electricity for 4 months, I don't blame anyone but myself for getting to this situation, but when it happened and I turned to the authorities and welfare the answers and zero response to help even with a simple food basket that I asked for was zero!! So if the authorities were functioning at their base and the state knew how to support the weak, we probably wouldn't be pushed to the margins any more than we are already there, at a level where even Holocaust survivors need the contributions of the people because the state doesn't take care of them even though thanks to them we are here! I am not familiar with the details of the above family, but I can say with confidence that if they had the option to live in a house with electricity and running water and still put food on their table with dignity they would do so, but sometimes in life you have to make hard choices and give up things that others will not understand how it is Possible, but remember that you are not in the other's position to understand the choices and concessions he made.
Many of your words are familiar to me.
But not necessarily all of them are poor, unhappy or helpless.
Don't project your distress on this story just as you ask others not to project their impatience.
In the end and to the point - living in such a way is dangerous for everyone without exception, both at the level of regulation and community cooperation that is damaged from where and where such and where and at the level of security of all residents in or around a building that is not under the engineering supervision of the municipality, and so on and so forth.
It is good to put an end to this as quickly as possible and in the most humane and fair way possible, because what is certainly not possible is to allow every citizen to determine his conditions on the ground. It is better for the municipality to deal with such things and not a person from the street against his neighbor.
Like many other houses in the Haifa area that are not treated as required, and without taboos as required.
Also the house I live in has 6 tenants in Kiryat Haim, a neighborhood of Haifa, construction was completed in 1990, today it's been 32 years, no taboo.
Construction offenses were created over time and today it does not seem to be a taboo.
There is no one in the municipality who really cares.
It only hurts the municipality that someone owes money, that's too much to handle.
Everything else doesn't really interest anyone in the municipality.
On the one hand, "the municipality only hurts when someone owes it money",
On the other hand, they did not pay property tax for 20 years...
Characteristic for leg-dragging arousal in any field.
United States. Each neighborhood has regulations. Laws, codes. The grass should be at this and that height. There are fine weeds. No fine grass. No sidewalk fine. There is a sidewalk but broken fine. There is a sidewalk that has been repaired but not the correct color of the stone fine.
This is how you get sweet, neat neighborhoods. Whoever goes beyond, whoever celebrates, whoever thinks that he will damage the appearance of the street, the neighborhood, make nuisances, break down walls, neglect yards, build half a house - fine, trial, arrest, demolition order, sale of the lot, bye bye.
Take a walk in the Hadar neighborhood. 4 out of every 5 gardens are ruined, neglected, scraps, neglect, broken stairs.
No municipality in the world agrees to such a thing. The building receives a warning, does not fix fines repeatedly until it fixes.
This is how it must work in Israel. A dense country, high-rises or a street of villas, it doesn't matter, it is impossible to allow neglect that brings pests, fire hazard, sanitation hazard, smoke nuisance.
A person runs a generator in the middle of a neighborhood as electricity?? WTF???
Listen carefully, if this was a neighborhood in Los Angeles he would be sued within a day for things like this.
Property crimes, crimes against shared property, crimes against environmental nuisances - only in Israel it does not end with a lawsuit.
You forgot that in the United States it sometimes ends with a madman who puts in a cartridge and sprays a school or just in the neighborhood...not everything should be copied from the Americans.
The United States is crazier than us.
1. As long as there is no Form 4, there are no municipal property taxes
2. The residents of the neighboring street are afraid of the prices of their apartments
There is a problem here that a man has not completed the construction of his house and lives in a dump in the middle of the neighborhood!
Aziz's response reflects what is happening in the Negev, the man leaves the house, walks a kilometer, pitches a tent, after that a shack, some goats, and that's how it works, there is a settlement, so tell me why it can't be in Dania, it's the same country, you understand Aziz.
Haha what do you expect from the failed city engineer? He's been in office for 15 years... doesn't regulate anything, doesn't enforce anything, asbestos roofs and illegal shacks and the city engineer doesn't know about construction additions at the Gulf factories and storage of dangerous materials... read the 2010 State Comptroller's report and since then the mess with that city engineer is only intensifying. Everywhere you look in Haifa, there is a mess in planning and enforcement, and it's a wonder that half of the engineering director has already resigned so that they don't have to be on the investigative committees. The other half are trying to reach retirement.. This is a terrible dysfunction of the municipality, a disgraceful municipality. Hundreds of buildings without form 4 in Haifa are used for living and storage. Hundreds!!!
It's one of hundreds. Unsafe empty abandoned buildings are used as workshops, businesses, residences, drug dens and what not.
Yona Yahav's tenure was the most destructive in Haifa's history, everything that was possible to mess up and destroy* they did and now they are preaching more about a municipality that is dealing with the damage they caused. Who said to erect a cellular antenna mast in front of Ramat Golda without permission in the dark of the night on the eve of a holiday and without a permit.. Do you understand?? This is Mrs. Hadva Almog who now preaches and preaches. She was the chairperson of the local committee who herself received deadly criticism from the district committee non-stop. Buildings that were built even before the permit was received.. Illegally added floors in the buildings.. What was not here.
What are you wondering... do you know the entrepreneur Mr. Feingold??? The fact that he is a member of the Council of Change...he sat on a local committee for planning and construction...he did not understand that it was a conflict of interest...in the end they helped him understand. It's called capital and rule and also peeing from the bouncer. Check how many apartments he was approved to build on 1 Shimshon St. and how many were actually built. ...he does what he likes like everyone else. Let's see if they charge him to demolish or at least a fine equal to the value of the violation... not to mention the fact that they gave a building permit for dozens of apartments with no parking at all, which is really unbelievable.
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Dania's enlightened neighbors do not feel ashamed to initiate articles against their neighbors.
Based on the fear of the fires, the snobs think they can do whatever they want to the extent of destroying their neighbors' houses.
About the other neighbors you write "think they can do what they want"....
Get a candy for goodwill.
If there is a sanitary hazard in the yard then it needs to be cleaned like everywhere else...everything else is irrelevant...the problem is that the rich neighbors around think they will determine who their neighbors will be...the family that owns the area and lived there even before their neighbors were born or knew where Haifa was. Rightfully so, the state does not interfere, it's private land, why does he raise sheep there???? Sit in the coop. It is allowed to turn on a wood stove even in winter, it is not suitable for you, try to change the law. There are high enough fences around the building, you should not poke your nose where you don't need to. They have the right to live in their home as they please as long as there is no danger to the neighbors, and there is none!!!
What is the condition of the building?
Does it undergo routine inspections by the municipal engineer like all the other apartments in the city?
Is the plumbing OK?
Is the pirate generator placed outside or inside the house?
Do you think Form 4 is for laughs?
As long as there is no danger to the neighbors?
What routine inspections of the city engineer are you talking about exactly? When was the last time your house was inspected? What is your business, what is the state of the water pipes and how will an explosion of a water pipe at your house affect you? What is your concern, what is the condition of the building? If it falls, it will fall on their head (you must be happy), it has nothing to do with you.. What is a pirate generator?? A person is allowed to put a generator in his yard, it's none of your business...maybe even his car parked in the yard is not to your liking??
In short, find a hobby for retirement and let it go
The complainant's house should also be checked himself.
The whole debate here is about where and where,
If the municipality examines a building and finds deficiencies in it that must be repaired - everyone who lives around only benefits from this.
You don't know the reason or what predicament the family got into. Let live in peace.
This is how they decided to live!
Go around me, Bayiat
let live
In the last wave that the authorities tried to act against construction criminals, a lawyer was murdered in cold blood.
bad neighbors This is not how neighbors behave. Not pretty. It doesn't suit you. Make peace between yourselves. A lovely day
How do you know it doesn't fit them?
You know them?
bad neighbors
Is it okay for you to open your pocket every two months to the Haifa municipality and the electric company?
If your answer is yes, then you are more than welcome to pay for them as well and reduce some of the burden on all of us.
I know the structure and the working people. The respondent Sharon wants to remove them from there in order to build her own villa on the land. I think it's been like this for 5 years
As long as there is no unusual incident, meaning safety, Haifa Municipality will not intervene. All they will do is give him a warning to clean up the yard.
What kind of neighbors God will protect... Menachem the cannon does not count his closed neighbors what is the matter with the neighbors if there is flooring or not... if there are windows or not. They probably want the lot for themselves..the yard is no more dirty than the mouths of the complainers...however, it is still allowed to light a wood stove....on your nose and your anger.
One who understands well
They cannot be a health and safety hazard. There are other people who want to live there. We must take care to remove them and destroy this building
Instead of complaining behind their backs to the municipality, they should have talked to the tenants and helped them bring the building, or at least the yard. For a safe and satisfactory situation for the neighbors, they probably only see what is around them, and therefore the tenants can be asked to deal with this issue only. Only a rude or violent response warrants a complaint to the authorities. It's lucky that the authorities are with the same house surrounded by hostile neighbors.
A family has set conditions on the ground, does not pay municipal taxes, is not ready to take part in this social game called "being a citizen in a democratic country"....
Either they align with the rest of the population, or the rest of the population aligns with them -
You decide which option sounds safer to you.
Housing crisis their right to live! This bureaucracy is a policy of the combines somewhere in the government offices and authorities
On the nose and the anger of all the Israelites who spit blood to find adequate housing,
But they asked him to clean the yard. a thousand thanks.
Stop if your eye problems.!!!
Let people live as they are.
Live and let live…….Leave them to themselves…….
These are family or people like you and me just want to live.!!! And that's what there is.!!!
I didn't understand this comment! What is the connection with eye problems?
In your opinion, everyone can live and do what they want and how they want...
Tomorrow morning it won't be suitable for you to obey a red light, or it will be suitable for you to do karaoke at 1 in the morning or just throw garbage in the street and not in the trash...
What is this nonsense?? There is a fabric of life in the city, in the neighborhood, in the community - you don't live alone on a desert island!!
It is not suitable for you to align - you are welcome to vacate.
And indeed has not succeeded for 40 years,
Give me too!
excellent So others are also allowed to live without fear of hazards from malfunctions. Right ? Your rules not mine.
It is likely that the owners of the property and/or those who live there are close to the decision-makers in this regard or that someone close to them benefits from it.... And it's enough to be wise with an allusion.
Where is the allusion here? You say directly that you think they are not being turned away because they are close to the government. The truth is the accusation is a bit delusional and very unfounded