"Religious and traditionalists are forced to violate Shabbat, even those who want to drink a glass of water from the tap," Yoav Ramati said last night at the city council meeting, in his proposal that he submitted regarding implementing guidelines for the construction of tall buildings in order to comply with halachic conditions to prevent the exclusion of religious residents..
City Council member Yoav Ramati put forward a motion for order last night (Mon. 23/5/22) in which he lists the names of the systems that desecrate the Sabbath in buildings that are built high up, and also presented solutions and a list of institutes that provide systems that observe the Sabbath. Ramati even reported that a number of families who recently purchased apartments on Berel Katznelson Street in the city, were forced to sell the apartments after discovering that Shabbat-keeping systems were not installed in the buildings.
The Haifa City Council hereby made a precedent-setting decision to include electromechanical systems in high-rise residential buildings in the city, which include approximately 17 systems, including water and sewage pumps, lighting control, ventilation, heating and more, which are halachically approved for operation on Shabbat by various halachic institutes. Until today An impossible situation has arisen in which the Zionist, ultra-orthodox and traditionalist religious sector has been excluded from buildings of this type, sometimes even from a street and neighborhood in the city, where there are many buildings of this type.
The implementation of the proposal is subject to the review of the Ombudsman, which allows the contractors to be charged for the purchase of control accessories approved by various Halacha institutes.
City Council member Yoav Ramati told Lahi Pa:
This proposal came to indicate the commitment and desire of all Jewish residents of Haifa to live together under one roof, without distinction between traditionalists and others. The proposal indicates the dignity and importance of the Sabbath, along with the respect between man and his fellow man. I hope more cities will follow our path.
In Israel, the problem with living together is that each sector requires its own distinct education system, and it is not possible to have a neighborhood with 4 schools for all streams. Then come the demand to close state schools and open to another sector.
Separate education systems create rifts, gaps and a lack of cohesion and are also a breeding ground for sectarian and nationalist extremism against the state. Therefore, as in Europe, the USA and in fact the whole world, separate education must be abolished and a state education system should be established that will allow a few hours of separate study during the week and no more than that, and then it will be possible to live together in the neighborhoods with all the students together in the classrooms.
Homogeneous neighborhoods should be defined in Haifa, rather than encourage mixing which later disturbs everyone.
ultra-orthodox neighborhoods;
Religious-national neighborhoods
Muslim neighborhoods
Christian Arab neighborhoods
Jewish secular neighborhoods
Non-Arab Christian neighborhoods
In a mixed neighborhood: according to the streets.
According to this division, the public institutions in the region will be developed. So that every public will receive institutions where they live and not in the neighborhood they move to or want to take over. This could be a national model for cities with this problem. A mixed neighborhood is a mistake that creates annoying problems and mutual harm. In addition, noise nuisance or blocking of streets of any kind should be prohibited in mixed neighborhoods for any sector. This includes muezzins, street events, Simchat Torah, Virgin Mary parades, etc., etc. will be canceled in a mixed neighborhood and will be moved only to the neighborhood where this is the sign.
Precisely as a religious person. I like to see Haifa as secular and pluralistic. I won in Haifa and am already looking forward to the day when there will be building permits. I want to live in a city where everyone lives in peace with everyone and there is no religious coercion and I want to see the Arab or secular neighbor enjoying his Shabbat in his own way and not suffering because of me
Will secularists be able to live at the end of Akiva St.?
Including arriving at their home, at any time, in a private car?
Now they put vending machines in the towers. The religious object on the grounds that people are desecrating Shabbat in the lobby because of these machines.
It's getting too much to live with them. Let them set up separate neighborhoods for themselves in the religious cities like in Kiryat Shmuel and leave us alone with this nonsense of elevators and machines on Shabbat. We are a secular society whose Shabbat observance does not include meticulousness with the electrical spark created by circuit breakers. Do yourself a favor, you are tired of us and stop making us and our child sick of the Jewish religion which is not in your taboo.
Will Arabs be able to live in tall buildings without throwing Jews from a height?
Hence this question. Whoever loves a person respects everyone and can live with respect for the other!
It is true that it was so that Arabs and Jews would live separately and it is true that religious people would live separately from secular ones.
You don't have to force your way into that cave!
These experiments in all of Europe and the USA are failing and they don't admit it!
I prefer that the religious only live in villas in Samaria.
I think this is a fair division. If they announce the state of Judah - I will be very happy and this is the victorious answer to the enemy.
The desire to live with the ultra-orthodox in one subjugation? The last thing I want is to live in the same subjugation as Haredim.
Kudos to the concern for the traditionalist public in Haifa!
And to all the twits - to remind you this is a Jewish country, it's not good for you, go to Europe.
To remind you, it is democratic, so go to Iran
It's just a shame to allow systems to work on Shabbat. Another tax for the sake of bi/triple existence. Just doesn't make sense. You don't think the restaurant is kosher enough. You don't eat there, do you? Does not force the restaurant to align. Haven't housing prices risen enough? And by the way, the solution to the water pumps is to simply leave the tap open on a weak flow and who will pay the bill - everyone... You asked if the secular wants to pay extra because he has ultra-Orthodox neighbors?
Great idea.
If there is a demand from any tenant to convert the systems in the building to Shabbat guards - the Municipality of Haifa will finance the conversion.
You can also consider funding systems that support Islam and eliminate the deprivation of Zoroastrians...
Move to Bnei Brak. Your takeover of entire buildings and neighborhoods to change its secular character is outrageous and sickening, don't impose your lifestyle on the rest of the city's residents, why should the building's residents pay high house board fees to finance your mental problems?? Go to a psychologist and not a rabbi. Haifa has always been a cosmopolitan and tolerant city, there is no place for anyone who tries to impose his lifestyle on others.
Not even a psychologist will help them. Nothing will help them. Lost cases.
And we see how tolerant you are….
If your seniority was a measure of your tolerance and acceptance of difference, you would be, and we would be, in a much better place
It is forbidden to desecrate the Sabbath.
Machines that are halachically approved for operation on Shabbat by various halachic institutes??
Really what is this bullshit. Like the elevator stories and other madness.
The fact that equipment works in a building does not cause anyone to violate Shabbat and does not violate Shabbat for anyone.
Ramati wants to provide a living for his friends in the "Halacha Institutes" who exactly qualified them to give kosher??
Who should pay for this belief?
Maybe you should build some of the towers without this accessory?
Why are the cities with many religious people in economic difficulties?
Because they don't pay property tax. or receive very significant discounts. An ultra-orthodox city needs seculars to pay the property tax.
We don't need secularists in Haifa. Haifa should become an ultra-orthodox city like Mea Shearim. There is no place for secularists in the Land of Israel. There is Germany.
Stupid response!
Stupid and lacking in understanding just like all the ultra-Orthodox who expect us all to bow down to them. Go pay millions more now for all the stupidity in these buildings so that the ultra-Orthodox buyers can enjoy everything that surrounds only their world..insolence.