The sinking of the train - the failure of the municipality of Haifa
Only an eye problem caused that railroad tracks with electricity poles will surround all of Haifa without a clear horizon regarding an evacuation date, if at all. Once again, the Haifa municipality missed an opportunity to receive a plan for clearing the tracks fully funded by the government, with full planning certainty.
A dramatic thing happened at the meeting of the Committee for National Infrastructures (VTL) on 13.12.2021. After a struggle of years, this was the first time that Israel Railways presented - in a sketch it drew - an alternative in which the track is completely removed from the shores of Haifa, an alternative also called the "Sedra Tunnel"
Shortening the travel time of the passengers
The implementation of an alternative according to the presented principle would have resulted in the prosperity of the city of Haifa and the entire north, and on the way to the complete evacuation of the track from the coastal environment (including from the vicinity of Dado Beach and the existing Carmel Beach station).
There is no difficulty in finding a budget for such an alternative, because the economic benefit that the alternative produces allows for its actual budgeting (the economic benefit is measured by the shortening of the passengers' travel time).
This alternative best connects the western and eastern parts of the city of Haifa to the center of the country.
The boulevard alternative also supports the evacuation of industry from the bay (because the budgeting for the evacuation is conditional on the sale of housing units).
The alternative also allows the residents of Kiryat Haim, Neve Shanan and all users of the new cable car (from the University and the Technion to the Gulf Central) to reach the center of the country in less than an hour.
In short, an excellent alternative from a net Haifa point of view.
Haifa Municipality objected
And who rejected the alternative? Haifa municipality!
why? Because according to the municipality's system (and the Haifa district committee) it is important to prevent the residents of the north of the country from the possibility of traveling quickly to the center of the country.
The Shidra alternative, it is argued, contradicts the principle that the city of Haifa is the "first city" of the entire northern part of the country, and therefore it is important that all transportation arteries lead to what the municipality has defined as "the center of the city of Haifa", i.e., the Government Kiryat and the sea front near it.
The Haifa municipality got involved and left the tracks on the beach
The alternative that the municipality preferred (alternative 102), not only does it not fully remove the tracks from the coastal environment, it is likely that the state will not rush to implement the alternative because it does not present any transportation or economic benefit
Damage to the coastal environment
First, what is not readily apparent in the sketch will be noted:
The alternative severely damages the sensitive coastal environment at Dado Beach, and fixes the Carmel Beach station in an unfavorable location - on the beach.
According to this alternative (alternative 102), the high-speed rail service is provided only from the Carmel Beach station and south. From the Kiryat Motzkin station to the Carmel Beach station, passengers will travel at an average speed of 50 km/h, maximum.
The marking of the track in red on the map and the nickname "fast track" do not change the fact that this is a slow rail service, even opposite to the desired direction of travel (the train coming from the north travels west towards Bat Galim and in a short section it even returns to the north).
So why invest NIS 11.7 billion in this?
This will be asked in the treasury.
And the public answer that the treasury officials gave is that they are not ready to invest more than NIS 6.8 billion for the rail tunnel.
The alternative of sinking the train along the seashore has enormous technical and planning difficulties and according to many engineers is not applicable at all, today that the track borders on private lots and it will be very difficult, to the point of impossible, to reach settlement in front of these areas. In addition, the subsidence of the track along the coast takes place in certain sections that are immersed in sea water.
Haifa municipality bought land on the moon
In short, the Ministry of Transportation sold the Haifa municipality land on the moon (tunnels in a sketch that will never come to fruition), all so that the Haifa municipality would agree to sign the "electrification package" required to place electricity poles on its shores.
If the municipality agrees to the hotel's demand and approves the "electrification package", electricity poles will be installed to surround Haifa's beaches in the near future.
How long? for an "interim time" that is not defined in advance.
I believe that in view of the financial inefficiency of the Haifa alternative and the serious damage to the rail service during the works, it is very doubtful whether Israel Railways and the Treasury will, in the foreseeable future, promote such a project.
The railway will surely prefer to claim that there are other important projects that require priority (such as the tunneling of tracks 5 and 6 in the Ayalon axis), than the removal of the track from the coast - which will be carried out for purely scenic reasons. There is no lack of projects with economic benefit in the bottleneck, all of which have an economic benefit in excess of the removal of the rail from the coast.
And in the end, in my estimation, someone will wake up who will wake up in the Treasury, and will support the alternative of the Shidra. Haifa will be left with the columns on the beach and without any ability to negotiate regarding the removal of the buffer between the city and the sea.
The one chosen on the buffer removal ticket actually determines it.
No less serious than that, there was an opportunity here (which still exists) to lead a move that would change the face of Haifa and the north dramatically.
It is better to admit a mistake, to avoid signing the "electrification package", and to request that the Shidra alternative be promoted while removing the buffer, according to the principle that Israel Railways presented for the first time at last night's Hotal meeting.
The Ministry of Transportation, in my opinion, would prefer to keep the existing tracks on the coast (plus poles and electrification), and at the same time, build a Sedara tunnel. If the Ministry of Transportation insists on such an outline, the Haifa Municipality will have a hard time opposing it, because the Ministry of Transportation can put pressure on the municipality that cannot be met (it will simply withhold budgets from it until it agrees to all its requests!
Why does the Ministry of Transportation (i.e. the Israeli government) need the consent of the Haifa municipality to cancel the heavy rail along the coast and choose the "Avera Tunnel" plan?
It should be remembered that 4 tracks are required from the center of the bay and to the south, and in our opinion it is appropriate that the four tracks be elevated (two in the west and two in the east of the city)
The Ministry of Transportation, in my opinion, would prefer to keep the existing tracks on the coast (plus poles and electrification), and at the same time, build a Sedara tunnel. If the Ministry of Transportation insists on such an outline, the Municipality of Haifa will have a hard time opposing it, because the Ministry of Transportation can put pressure on the municipality that cannot be met (it will simply withhold budgets from it until it agrees to all its requests, and see the Klish-Smotritz agreement in which the Municipality of Haifa submitted to the dictates of the Ministry of Transportation) .
The main mistake of the Haifa municipality, in my opinion, is that it did not lead a common outline together with the residents of the north, so that the tracks will also be cleared from the coast (in a tunnel from the vicinity of the stadium to the government building) and a Sedara tunnel will also be built.
Half a year has passed since the decision of the High Court of Justice of December 13.12.2021, 65 regarding the route of the railways in the vicinity of Haifa (High Court of Justice XNUMXb), and as far as is known the Municipality of Haifa did not wish to sign the "electrification package" in the vicinity of the city of Haifa.
This means that Israel Railways is stuck and will not be able to electrify the tracks around Haifa, since from a practical point of view the municipality has the power to prevent the electrification works in the city area.
But the strength of the municipality will be answered by the strength of the Ministry of Transport. The point is that the Haifa municipality did not know how to generate agreements with the Ministry of Transportation, and therefore at this time the rift between the municipality and the Ministry of Transportation is much greater than is publicly known.
Subtal 65 - I will add and say that, apart from the fact that the railway tunnel along the coast is impractical and probably won't happen in the next decade or jubilee, the publication of the plan hinders almost every construction project for the development and renewal of the downtown, for reasons of foundation, vibrations, radiation and other planning complexities that are unknown If there are ever any relevance...
A historic decision of the District Committee for Planning and Construction (North District) was published ahead of the weekend (Thursday):
The committee demands the extension of the high-speed rails as far as the Kiryat Havrat station (the missile building) at least.
The committee rejects the outline of the Ministry of Transportation according to which the high-speed rails will reach only as far as the HaCarmel Beach station.
In doing so, the district committee supports the examination of alternative 11 (and rejects alternative 102 of the Ministry of Transport - see sketch).
Likewise, the decision of the district committee supports the examination of the Sdera tunnel (alternative 9) in the future.
Thus in the language of the decision:
"TTL 65 is intended, according to the announcement document, to be an improvement of the train service and a connection between the periphery, i.e. the north, and the center of the country.
The committee's position is that it must be ensured that the chosen alternative for marking the tracks for the high-speed trains will be the one that shortens the travel time (distance, number of stations, number of transitions between stations and travel speed), and provides the best service (frequency) for the residents of the north and greater Haifa, to the center of the country and to the south and in the opposite direction, from there to the north. The committee was not convinced by what was presented to it that this was the case.
After hearing the heads of local authorities, a representative of the western Galilee cluster, a representative of the Galilee Council (chairmen of the clusters in the north) and an independent contractor, the committee was convinced that even if there was a desire to split Subtal 65, the right place to split according to the decision of the Vatal itself, which aims - "To serve the center of the city of Haifa", is the station of Kiryat Havlat. It would also reduce the fear of the residents of the north, that the split could end in the foreseeable future, Subtal 65, in the southern entrances of Haifa.
It should be clarified that the committee does not in any way belittle the importance of Haifa as the big city, which should be the metropolis of the north, but at the same time demands that in any solution, a balance be found between Haifa's position as the heart of the metropolis, and the most efficient connection of public transportation from the north to the center the country and to the south, and no less importantly - in the opposite direction, from there to the north. The committee also requests to pay attention to and take into account the expected development of the Haifa metropolis towards the north (Haifa Bay), a development that opens up additional possibilities, among other things, for the public transportation system in general and the railway system in particular.
In the discussion, a sharp and familiar conflict was revealed, between the positions of the initiators of the program and the achievers. Both sides present eloquent positions, with a professional appearance, and the members of the committee and the members of the district planning office have no tools to decide between them. There is a contradiction in the data presented, there is a contradiction in the programming of various alternatives, and the most worrying contradiction is in the question, which alternative better serves the residents of the north and its development. Among other things, the bewilderment arose as to why a PRT procedure was not prepared, submitted, or presented for a transportation project of this magnitude. The representative of the Vatal team and the representative of the developers did not give a satisfactory answer to this.
The committee believes that a district-wide vision is required, for the purpose of connecting the existing and planned employment and industrial centers in the district by rail, and thinking about how to connect to existing and planned railroads, in order to improve the service and reduce truck travel on the roads: a connection to the Menasha railroad and a future railroad along Route 6. To date, the committee She has not seen a comprehensive public transportation system for the entire district, and therefore there is a difficulty in referring each time to small parts of the overall picture that is so necessary.
Another point for the hotel's attention is that the number of passengers from the north to Tel Aviv compared to the number of passengers from the north to Haifa was examined based on the current situation and without a future examination, when the train will allow fast and continuous travel from the north to Tel Aviv and from there to the north. A substantial improvement in passenger service is required Rethinking and concluding that travel patterns from the north to Haifa and Tel Aviv will change substantially, however this data is not presented in the conclusions and is not used in the planning.
The committee calls on LuTL to make sure that the promotion of Subtal 65A (doubling the tracks to the Carmel beach in the first stage), does not thwart the possibility of promoting an alternative that will serve all the residents of the North District, in the best way in terms of passenger service, shortening travel times and travel speed.
The committee requests from the hotel, following the contradictory data presented to us at the hearing, to appoint a professional expert from the field, and as far as one is not found in Israel, to consider the appointment of an expert from abroad, in order to receive an objective professional opinion regarding the difficult dispute between the planning team and the railway personnel on the one hand, and the personnel profession and other achievers, on the other hand, before final decisions are made regarding Subtal 65.
Voting: The decision was approved unanimously [including by the representative of the Ministry of Transportation] "
In a silly night
Blowing the rails off the beach isn't just for the scenery as noted.
The Shifona area will be designated for new construction, including urban renewal in the coastal neighborhoods, no one wants to see trains from the window
I really do not understand the municipality of Haifa. The mayor, who testifies that the issue of the railroad was one of the things that pushed her into municipal politics, misses the mark. The train could have been evacuated from the beach. point. Service to the Carmel Beach, Kiryat Havrat and the Carmel Beach is not enough? By force to turn all the passengers through the beach? Where is the mind?
It's just a shame that the considerations of the travel route that connects the north of the country with the center is subject to the narrow considerations of the municipality of Haifa!!!! Where is the committee for national infrastructure? Where is the national consideration? When a person from the center of the country wants to get to Haifa, he should have the opportunity to do so by the shortest route. When he chooses to get to the center, here too he has to take the fastest and most direct route. Israel's number one problem is the lack of an efficient mass transportation system. And probably these are the reasons...
good evening,
The right concept is a combination:
A. A high-speed train connecting the north to the center in a minimum of time (requires high-speed travel).
B. A connection to suburban train routes with a minimal number of stops (from Acre to Karmiel, from Central to Kiryat, from the Gulf to Haifa...) will allow safe and accessible travel within the city.
Please, just don't dream or as political spelling...
Well done!
I'm with you!
The truth is not clear why in Tel Aviv they remove a hazard like the new central station, and the miracle of the city of Haifa agrees to build such a swamp 50 meters to the most beautiful coastline in Haifa.
Who needs 900 parking spaces? Where will they be, in a 4-story building on the roof of the huge station? They are building us the central station in Tel Avhav, where they also built underground platforms unnecessarily, and a maze of floors. Later we will cry about how we wasted a chance to move the station and the tracks and free up a huge area for the development of hotels and wider promenades.
The monstrous planned Carmel Beach station is the ruin of Carmel Beach and a lamentation for generations. Missing the train tunnel through Carmel will leave Haifa with fenced tracks and a bleeding wound that will prevent development in the lower city and Bat Galim for the next 30 years.
This is a critical point where Haifa Mayor Huldai would go up to Jerusalem and knock on the table and say look what real land marketing profit there would be from the train tunnel through the mountain and not a subsidence strip on which nothing could be built! Dear officials, do what is necessary for the tunnel and to build the Carmel beach station outside the Haifa beach area, period. But unfortunately there is no Huldai here. We are stuck with city leadership without a vision.
And another monstrous station with 900 parking spaces when what you should strive for is fully functioning public transportation?!?!? Under the Carmel beach station?! Just a very sad joke
The entire renewal of the railway line was part of a government plan to connect the north and the periphery to the center.
Now it seems that the Haifa municipality and the Ministry of Transportation are thinking about the center and Haifa, but the north has been completely neglected. Shame and shame on the reference to the periphery.
Carmel Beach a final station, a light rail that connects Carmel Beach to the heart of the Gulf and speeding up the construction of the Menashe Railway and a high-speed train from the heart of the Gulf to the center is the only and best solution for everyone
Flimsy you are killing us young people!
Look around!
To establish a parking lot in Rambam and the groundwater problem created a big mess and a very expensive solution.
It's just completely obvious that it would be impossible to sink 4 train lines and the whole plan was done as a PR stunt.
There is an applicable solution that is already known to be possible - the Carmel tunnels. The train tunnel through the mountain is faster and cheaper.
The reason the planning committees and the railway refused this alternative is precisely because it is applicable.
They prefer an impractical alternative that would make electrification along the entire coast irreversible as a fait accompli.
It was forbidden to agree to any electrification through Haifa. Certainly not temporary without any date to start settling.
It is clear to everyone that the service between the southern entrances and Check Post can be provided by a light rail that will fit into the urban space
As it blends into Jaffa Street in Jerusalem. Who needs a suburban train here anyway? Just take the current rail route
Transfer it to a light rail that can be crossed on foot and rebuild the Hoof Carmel station south of Matam with entry bridges to the Carmel tunnels and an exit within 5 minutes quickly to the check post instead of 20 minutes via the beach..
What is more simple and logical than that??
The always green mountain - they want to destroy the always green mountain
We cannot fight as much as it takes to live in beauty in peace as requested
Don't forget that sea water from climate change floods is not
Mix nicely with rail electrification.
Plan the train tunnel at an appropriate height so that a solution is provided
to climate change floods in the near future.
The coastal area and Lower Haifa will also be flooded, among other things.
The solution then will be public transportation in gondolas as is customary in Venice.
It is also important to pave an additional track on the Emek railway.
So there will be a train on this line every half hour a day
And every fifteen minutes during peak hours.
An additional rail on the Valley Railway will not damage the tunnel
Central line of the Gulf to Tel Aviv.
Of course, it is advisable to leave the rail in place until at least
Rambam from considerations of evacuating casualties during an emergency.
The rails must be blown off the coast regardless of electrification.
No fences and no irons.
A tunnel must be made from Haifa and this is the only plan that is good and costs less money for the state!
The municipality did the right thing, at least this time. In the current situation, practically from almost anywhere in the city, the train is accessible to all residents of Haifa. That is, the whole country is accessible to all residents of Haifa. which is an advantage. In addition, it is possible to make such a line for the rest of the citizens and not for the conditions. A trending article whose aim is to continue throwing mud at Einat Klish whose name is not mentioned but it is clear that she is the aim here. I still think she's the worst mayor ever. But here she finally did a good job.
There was a blatant and clear criticism of those responsible for leading the planning process in Haifa regarding the railroad issue, which by the way was also directed at the previous mayor and his team.
Yesterday evening the hotel's decision was passed, which proves that no alternative has been determined and nothing is binding:
"It is clarified that the blue line for publication is determined on the basis of preliminary information, which corresponds to the stage in which the planning procedure is located, and that with the progress of the planning and the preparation of the review, and towards the discussion of the transfer for comments and achievements, there may be changes in the boundaries of the plan and in part of it."
It is understood that these words were also written in view of our claims that nothing was examined or tested in depth, and that most of the developer's claims are wrong, tendentious and even false.
So there are those who rush to declare victory, where they have nothing in hand, and the wind beneath the surface is working against them at all. May they be healthy. But it's a shame that only those who value the beaches of Haifa and high-quality Chavez will pay the price in the end.
It is interesting to compare the alternative that the members of the association 'Haim in Haifa' at the time disseminated to the public, and the one that they strongly reject now (the one that results in both the complete evacuation of the beach and a high-speed train through all Haifa stations)https://12fe3e5b-03c2-b893-d1cd-551bb9ac5608.filesusr.com/ugd/484e6f_425a87b633114d8eaff4765f18c55406.pdf).
The decision makers of the city of Haifa (including, for me, the opposition sitting on the city council) are doing enormous damage to the people of Haifa, the residents of the north, and the entire State of Israel.
Haifa municipality - wake up!
This decision is not new and if it is carried out it will be a cry for generations.
Puppies to you!
A spinal tunnel is the right solution.
She is a doctor for impaling cities without action,
If the doctor could not understand what everyone who reads here immediately understands in 5 minutes, in thinking between the alternatives between an imaginary one and a realistic one that can start within a year and within five years the removal of all the railroad tracks - then we are really really in such a problem the mayor and the city engineer.
If they didn't manage to fight for a tunnel through the mountain, then there is no way they will succeed in any fight for the city.
Hahahahaha I'm sure Nachshon recommended Klish and she listened and Haifa stayed behind, she didn't yet understand that whatever she wanted he would recommend you differently. He wants to kick her out and win the mayorship. From the trash to the fear
If from the Carmel Beach station to the heart of the bay station the outline is approved by me, this is fine and successful, but we must not agree to temporary plans that will harm the city of Haifa
I hope that any mayor who will be elected in Haifa will be able to stand tall in front of all the national authorities.
Subtal 65 XNUMX: Who is leading the lovable Haifaites astray?
First partner: Haifa municipality led by a great planner who doesn't understand the situation, and a city engineer.
Second partner: Israel Railways, an aggressive and cynical system, will throw Haifa to its fate when it becomes clear that there is no funding.
Third partner: The Committee for National Infrastructures: an empty presentation of a plan that was disproven in advance.
Below is the breakdown of the bluffs at the foundation of the program:
Bluff #1: At this point, the suburban tracks will remain on bottoms along the coast and in the harbor. It means a heavy electrification system, and fences suitable for a 160 km/h train along the entire length, the loss of the sea front and the blocking of the port.
Bluff #2: Who would be crazy to make a tunnel to 4 underground tracks under and next to an active electric train?
Bluff #3: monstrous Carmel beach station + 2 huge portals, beach blockade instead of a beach development center.
Bluff No. 4: in phase 4, transfer of XNUMX tunneled rails to the entire length of the port. No construction above a tunnel. The end of privatization.
Bluff No. 5: From the Paz Bridge to the Hoof HaCarmel station, 52 km of track length in the tunnel + 22 km as above to Magadim.
Bluff No. 6: The HaTil building station serves the Ma'ar in the lower city. There is no economic justification for the stations below.
Bluff No. 7: Light rail on the existing route does indeed serve Rambam and the coastal strip well. No more is needed.
Bluff No. 8: 7,000 units that financed the rail: Bluff already from the botched Yahav-Kahlon settlement deal from 2015.
Bluff No. 9: further on Ben Gurion Ave., tourist boat dock. In practice, they are 60 m high, which will hide the view from the city.
Bluff No. 10: The Man-Shanar plan is based on pedestrian crossings over the tracks, not to be implemented until phase XNUMX
Do not neglect the part of the Israel Railways in the resistance. You know where the chairman of the workers' committee, Gila Adri, sits...that's right, Bat-Galim.
The Northern Development Center is located in Haifa, the center of Hamona. The northern command and control center is located on the Carmel beach
When a stomach becomes a contagious disease. Throw the train under the mountain and clear the coastal plain. This is the solution!
Disappointing cliché. The Shadira tunnel, in my opinion, is the last chance to turn Haifa into a business center in the Checkpost area and in addition to the field it wants (and I don't know how advanced it is) it could be amazing. Business center accessible to private and public transportation.
The section in question should have been canceled a long time ago and the sea freed.
The Carmel beach station should be turned into a terminal station and the Lev Hamfaretz station should be continued along with the new line through Yokneam to the Megiddo junction to split to Afula and Hadra through Wadi Aara, another split from Yokneam towards Zikron and connection to the coast line.
To talk about a tunnel from the heart of the Gulf to the Carmel beach is a narrow view of the problem, although it is blessed but narrow, the transportation solution should be inclusive and not local, bringing the residents of Haifa to Haifa is a local secondary solution and will not solve the public transportation crisis.
Dvir, God bless you!
Because the city's neighborhoods are disconnected from each other, and continuity cannot be created, the subsidence project will do nothing for the city. …. A little to the downtown. . . For others - who speaks.
How is it even possible to make such an illusory decision? Are planning committees governed by the whims of mayors? Probably a rhetorical question.
All over the world there is a separation between intercity traffic and urban and suburban traffic. In this spirit, there is no need at all for a train along the coast, and therefore no need for a tunnel either. A tunnel should be cut from north to south under Carmel with train stations at its ends. Traffic to and from the stations must be managed by efficient public transportation, according to the existing models in the world.
Well done for having a mayor of Haifa with Vamos and standing up for her own and not letting them make Haifa the worst of the country!!!!
Reverse Audi. Israel Railways actually forced the municipality of Haifa to accept electrification through the entire city as a "temporary" solution to be done years in the future.
There will be no subsidence here, there is a joint public relations show of the Ministry of Transportation and the Haifa Municipality. In addition to all that is being built ostensibly-for subsidence but in fact to double the tracks of the Carmel Beach station with a width that will reach almost to the seaside promenade. A huge white elephant in the style of the new central station in Tel Aviv. And they will leave the electrification for decades to come. We will also be asked in 2040 where the imaginary settlement agreement was..
And remember that it was possible to tunnel the train through Mount Carmel in 4 years quickly and efficiently and evacuate the entire stretch of beaches.
The municipality of Haifa must not approve the construction of electricity poles and fall into the Shetman bin.
Very supportive of the spinal alternative.
Dear friends and everyone who loves Haifa and wants its best, listen carefully to what was said here by Dov Halevi. When I understood what the city engineer Ariel Waterman confirmed and even supported that was going to be done at the Carmel Beach station, I finally understood that this man had gone off the rails and simply decided to damage everything good in Haifa. The municipality's support for an infeasible alternative, at an unknown date, in an unclear engineering manner, is downright delusional. Instead of a struggle to evacuate the trains from the beach, there are promises made in Asfamia about subsidence someday, at a cost of 12 billion shekels, which even if it were ever carried out would leave a 40-meter strip along the entire length of the city on which nothing can be done, because if you look at cut and cover solutions, the train does not allow No construction above them. In fact, what will be created is a strip that will destroy Hecht Park, destroy the fishermen's beach, destroy the surfers' beach, destroy the downtown. It's just ridiculous beyond applicability and cost.
This strip on which nothing can be built and listen to this - the railway will probably demand that it be fenced as well to prevent vandalism.
So what the hell were we doing here?? The temporary will become permanent, and the whole city will suffer from 5 meter electricity poles and huge fences.
The alternative that Dvir offers here, let's say to Yaron Hanan's comments regarding its exit door at Kiryat Shvarat or Check Post directly, is the only alternative, which is both applicable, and will allow the evacuation of the train and the use of the track area today, for real development without the limitations of digging underneath it and without a fenced off empty area 40 meters wide if they ever tunnel at all. Without the Carmel Beach station, the rebuilding of which is a complete death blow to Carmel Beach. Understand what is about to happen, this is a station that will reach almost all the way to the seashore, will cause the cancellation of all the parking lots, will be a monster blocking the style of the central station in Tel Aviv - in front of the seashore!!
What is proposed as an alternative is the sinking of two tracks and two surface tracks, this is also bad and actually perpetuates the alternative where suburban tracks will pass and be graveled further, in fact we have not done anything about it. We left the buffer in any shape, we just made it wider, and destroyed the Carmel beach without any need.
In the area of the Carmel beach station, you can build 2 hotels with a beautiful public square. - If it had been built near the stadium / Matam South and from there in a tunnel through the mountain, this would have also solved a large part of the traffic jams that occur at the Matam intersection and the limited access to the seashore through the bridge would have become a direct access. Instead of the bridge - a hotel. Instead of railroad tracks and behind them a half-empty base - a quarter of the most beautiful hotel and residential towers in Israel, which would have catapulted all of Haifa forward.
A direct train from Mtm to Check Post or Kiryat Havlat, reduces the travel time for residents of the north by 15 minutes. This is a lot. This is excellent. It contributes to the entire metropolis. Stops in Haifa. Everything is fine. We will open such an amazing stretch of beach, that there will be no reason at all to go to the port of Tel Aviv to hang out.
Just fly the train and the bases and let us really develop the coastal strips of Haifa.
We must completely stop agreeing to an alternative that does not remove the railroad tracks. The sinking of the train is not the removal of the railroad tracks and will seriously damage the future development of the coastal strip in Haifa. What is planned at the Carmel beach station is not a cry for generations, it is the destruction of the central beach of the city of Haifa. This must not be agreed to under any circumstances. No damage is repaired, by creating 10 other no less damage.
Only the alternative of the boulevard through the mountain, in a tunnel, is the logical, feasible, cheap, fast alternative, and enables the development of Haifa's beaches.
The Haifa municipality must not approve the deployment of electricity poles and fall into the trash.
The relevant plan for Haifa and the north is the Shidra alternative which will remove the track from the beaches of Haifa, will allow the development of the beaches and a high-speed train from the west and east of Haifa and the Galilee to the center.
It's simply unbelievable that instead of correcting the delusion in the form of railroads that block a city of a million inhabitants from reaching the sea, they add a sin and now we will also get a barrier to the sea view
The time has come for the residents to find a way to influence the municipality regarding the opening of the western port to the public, the train tunnel, the removal of hazardous materials from the bay, the preservation of natural values, the thinning of the pigs, and more... steps that will put Haifa on par with advanced cities in the world
The harsh criticism of Klish is justified and it will be another cry for generations that she will contribute to with her stupidity. But we in Haifa insist on a different alternative to this "Hasdra" tunnel that will come at the expense of the residents of Haifa. Dvir Langer recently tried to present the alternative of Kiryat Havrat in order to recruit opponents from Haifa, but knowing his true ambitions to exclude the train from the underground in favor of his trips from the north to Tel Aviv, I suspected that he did not really intend to support a tunnel to Kiryat Havrat and now he proves me right!
We want a tunnel from a station in the south of Haifa towards Kiryat Havlat and from there the track will continue to the heart of the bay!
Apparently things were not clear. According to the proposal, this is a situation in which some of the 14 high-speed trains required south of Haifa will pass through the Sdera tunnel and some of them through tunnels within Haifa, which will serve the residents of Haifa and downtown Haifa and the residents of Carmel, with a station in Kiryat Havler via route 102 or alternative route 11. Alternative 11 completely diverts The beach is free from this nuisance and in any case a more compact station is created than the monster planned for the Carmel beach.
Yaron The split in the alternative camp of the train tunnel through the mountain is what made it possible to have such a failed alternative of imaginary stagnation and in the meantime electrification of all of Haifa for decades. The cry for generations is that instead of pooling forces and acting together, they keep splitting up. Those who want the cabinet, those who propose check post, and those who propose alternative C and alternative D.
First of all, it should have been brought to the recognition that subsidence is impractical, will not achieve the goal of developing the beaches, and along the way will create other damages in the giant excavations even if it were carried out. Therefore there is only one solution, a tunnel through the mountain. After this alternative is the risky one. We will discuss the exact route and where they will leave and how many lines there will be here or there. In my opinion, the most difficult tactical mistake is that in every issue there are multiple votes, and another municipality that does not fight in addition to all those divided votes. In Tel Aviv the mayor says there will be no light rail through the city and boom everything is underground. Here we are talking so it is possible this way, or this way, so in the meantime there will be electrification... This is exactly how the international airport in Haifa was canceled, a decision that Transport Minister Mofaz declared in 2007 as an essential project of national importance.
Then the division began where to place and where to fly from and the result 15 years later - nothing. The whole of the north lost hugely and first and foremost Haifa because a key consideration in the location of companies' headquarters is a distance of up to 30 minutes to the airport in Nalaumi.
You have no idea what's going to happen at the Carmel Beach station and around there. They are talking about digging a hole measuring about a kilometer long and about 38 meters wide and 24 meters deep, into which a monster of concrete will be poured for the purpose of four tracks and four platforms and a parking lot for about 900 parking spaces.
There will also be new and larger road bridges over the track while encroaching on the coastal environment.
The excavation will be carried out with many engineering complications due to groundwater.
All this in place of underground platforms between the stadium and the Matam junction.
Deb, thanks for the explanation, I don't know how to explain to people how completely destructive the Carmel Beach Station rebuild plan is going to be.
The sinking of the train, if carried out as proposed, will totally destroy Hecht Park, destroy most of Haifa's beaches due to huge excavations, the entire route will suffer from groundwater, here they are simply working on the residents in their eyes.
They built the Carmel tunnels within 3 years. In 4 years they will build the train tunnel from the stadium to the check post and the story is over.
The Check Post will receive its status as the center of the metropolis and the high-speed train from it will be a catalyst for tremendous economic development in it as a real center.
Kiryat Hamel, the lower city, Bat Galim could receive a fast connection by light rail instead of the suburbs, as was done in Jerusalem, from the new Matam train station to the north and under the check post to the west.
The train tunnel through the mountain is the only way to properly develop the city of Haifa.
The subsidence simply will not happen, and will leave a scar of electrification decades to come.
Klish made a political career out of the fight against the railroad.
Now, instead of removing the train from the coastline and creating an amazing alternative of a city that slides into the sea without barriers such as railroads, Tzuklish comes and carries out a public attack in Haifa.
As if to say, everything possible will be done in reverse and we will put a finger in the eye of the residents of Haifa.
What about public participation, have you heard of this concept at all or is the public also a fiction?
You wrote beautifully, and you put order in my mess. So if the mayor doesn't stop it now - we ate her for at least the next fifty years.
Klish made a political career out of the fight against the railroad.
Now, instead of removing the train from the coastline and creating an amazing alternative of a city that slides into the sea without barriers such as railroads, Tzuklish comes and carries out a public attack in Haifa.
As if to say, everything possible will be done in reverse and we will put a finger in the eye of the residents of Haifa.
What about public participation, have you heard of this concept at all or is the public also a fiction?
Alternative 102 will not happen. The public officials (Treasury, Ministry of Transport, Railways) will overthrow it. The electrification is on its way, and it cannot be stopped. If the municipality does not change its approach and support a realistic tunnel alternative that also avoids the damage to the coastal environment (and it is emphasized that the environmental consideration is secondary and even negligible in the eyes of the officials), this opportunity may not repeat itself.
And you will call in Israel a blasphemy for the world
On the other hand, a train on the coast encourages tourism. Connection between the port and the train.
unbelievable. And maybe so…
This is an important thing because the municipality of Haifa is opposed. Good night.
You even put the original Raffle to shame, because getting off it is a world record!